The missing Ellis'

[jibba]

Hi all

I'm trying to find out more about the fate of my Ellis ancestors. I've been able to trace the early years of my 3rd Great grandfather, William Ellis, born 1849, up until the 1901 census, upon which he and most of the family disappear

To summarise, William Ellis was born in Deptford in 1849. He moved to Tunbridge Wells where he married his wife, Hannah (aka Susannah) Butler in 1870. She was born in 1851 at Benenden.

They had five known children, the first four being born in Tunbridge Wells; Harriette (1871 my 2nd great grandmother), Florence (1874), Eleanor (1878), and Edward (1882). The fifth child, Edith, was born in 1887 at nearby Southborough

By the time of the 1901 census, Harriette and Eleanor were married and where residing around Tunbridge Wells. Florence had married too, but had moved to Forest Gate, Essex in 1894. William, Hannah, Edward and Edith too had also moved to Forest Gate, probably in 1896 after the death of Hannah's father

By the time of the 1911 census, I have found Harriette, Eleanor and Florence, but not the rest of the family. The civil death index for England and Wales do not reveal any suitable matches for the missing Ellis’, which suggests that they may have emigrated.

I have look through Ancestry's immigration records, but have not bee able to find any suitable matches other than an Edward Ellis who departed for New York in 1903 aged 21 (c.1882)

I'm not sure where I should look next. Can anyone suggest what I can do from this point?

[MaureeninNY]

Edward's Service Records survive.
His father seems to be deceased by 1913 or so. 2 different addresses are given for William and Hannah-69 Upton Lane Forest Gate and 5 Studley Rd. *which has been crossed out.
His marriage is given as June 11 1910:
Marriages June Qtr 1910 ELLIS Edward William T and IDDENTEM sp? Alice at Faversham.
Sorry,but I can't really make out much more!
I wonder about the Jun Qtr 1910 death for a William ELLIS age 60 in West Ham???


Maureen

[casalguidi]

Edward William Thomas ELLIS of Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada (born Tunbridge Wells widower) next of kin mother, Hannah ELLIS of 31 Pembury Street, Sittingbourne when he enlised in the CEF for WW1 27 Jun 1916 http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html ............ is he the one

He may have married 1910 Faversham district http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Do you have any second names for any of the others?

Casalguidi

[suzard]

Are these the full names of the children??

Birth reg FreeBMD
all in Tonbridge reg district
Harriet mercy Ellis Jun qtr 1871 2a 522 - married John Archley friar
Florence Frances Ellis Jun qtr 1874 2a 566 - married Alfred Ashdown
Eleanor Jane Ellis Sept qtr 1878 2a 603 (Nellie in 1881 census)
Edward William T Ellis Dec qtr 1882
Edith Jane H Ellis Sept qtr 1887 2a 686 ( Janet in 1891 census)

are these the correct names?

Suz

[casalguidi]

Edith Jane H Ellis Sept qtr 1887 2a 686 ( Janet in 1891 census)

Frederick James SHAW married (one of the two possible spouses) an Edith Jeanette ELLIS 1907 West Ham ......... I wonder if that's the one .............. in Rodmersham, Sittingbourne 1911 see http://www.familysearch.org

Casalguidi

[jibba]

Hi Guys

I can't thank you enough! Everything above does seem to tie in together, and suggests that only Edward emigrated

Maureen - 5 Studley Road was their address in the 1901 census However, that death entry cannot be my William as I have that particular death certificate. That William died in Canning Town, and the informant was his son, W.Ellis

Suz - Yes, those are the entries for the children that I know of. I had hoped that both William and Hannah would have survived to the 1911 census to confirm if they had anymore!

So the plan of attack now would be to find when William died, and try to find in Hannah in the 1911 census.

Casalguidi - As a side note, Pembury Street was where my grandfather (and Hannah's great-grandson) was born in 1917! It would be interesting to see if Hannah lived long enough to see him. I'll look to see if that Edith you've mentioned is mine

Lee

[jibba]

Hi all

Following on from last night, I have found Hannah living in Herne Bay in the 1911 census. She gives her age as 48, when she is actually 59. However most of the Ellis census entries have some kind of errors on them.

On another good note, the census record lists Hannah as having five children and that all were still living. I haven't found Edith yet, but am still looking

Maureen - Can you tell me where you found Edward's service record?

Regards
Lee

[casalguidi]

Lee, see my post above with regards to Edith.  With regards to Edward, the Canadian WW1 attestation paper shows he previously served with the RGA, try searching http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/army-service-records/all for an Edward ELLIS with regiment Royal Garrison Artillery.

Casalguidi

[jibba]

Hi Casalguidi

Thanks for the link for Edward's service record

I don't quite understand by what you mean about Edith. Are you saying that the marriage was registered in 1907 in the West Ham district, but took place in Rodmersham? I'm looking through familysearch.org, but I cannot see this entry

Lee