Samuel Edwards Esq of Flintshire

[Rochdalian]

Hi
We've been looking for the birth of Samuel Edwards for years and just today had a minor breakthrough.  In the newspapers we found a reference to his daughter Doligny Edwards impending nuptials to Sir Joshua Colles Meridyth in 1822.  It stated that Doligny was the daughter of Samuel Edwards Esq of Flintshire.  That is the closest we have come to a hint of his native place.  Working off other info we believe he was born c1740.  We found one baptism in the time frame: Samuel Edwards bap 16 Jan 1742 Wepre.
We are looking for any hints as to which way to head next, or if someone has any info that may be useful please.

Thanks

Bob & Helen

[Gadget]

Hi

This could be the entry - Wepre was a township in Northop

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCTM-RX4

The link to FindMyPast would be likely to give you details of his parents.

However, you'd need to investigate a bit further. I see from Family Search that Doligny married in Etchingham, Sussex in 1822 and she was with her husband  in Bath in the 1841, aged 50(-54). In 1851 she a visitor in Bath,  aged 70 and b. London* It could be that Samuel  was 'of Flintshire' later in his life but not born there. Where and what date do you first encounter him? What were his children's names and where were they born?  Is there a will that might give more information? 

* dying Grosvenor Street, London 25 January 1864?


brevitas

(Welsh wills here - http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=searcharchivaldatabases  )

[Gadget]

Trying to find more clues. There are quite a few newspaper articles about Sir Joshua but not much on Doligny.

In 1861, Doligny, aged 79,  is a lodger at Bryanston St, Marylebone RG9/77/21/35  With her are a Hannah? Edwards, 76 and Emma Edwards,  70. Both unmarried. All 3 born St Clement Dane, London.

Added - further info for other searchers:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,478071.msg3371437.html#msg3371437
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,491918.msg3493530.html#msg3493530

Also quite a few trees on Ancestry but not available at the moment 


brevitas

[Gadget]

I assume that this is his will:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D392117

[Gadget]

You probably have these but I'm trying to see if there's a naming pattern ~

Children of Samuel and Sarah bpt at St Clement Dane:

24 Jan 1774 Ann Reynolds
18 Feb 1775 George Hay
25 March 1776 John Samuel
9 June 1777 Samuel
11 Nov 1778 Harriot
7 March 1782 Emma
30 May 1783 Jane Jemima

(no Doligny so far  )*

*Found a tree that has her bptism as 1773

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usher/ushersct/4106.htm

[Gadget]

Helen, I'm sure you've done what I've just been doing many times (Googling their names and searching sources )  as I've found your requests for info on other sites as well as here.  I've found a tree that has his father as Sir Jonathan Edwards  and  mother as Maria Bray/Pierce BUT it has Doligny dying 1864, Washington, Utah, US BUT links to the correct probate record!

Have you checked this Edwards/Bray/Pierce connection?

[Rochdalian]

Hi Brevitas

You have managed to find nearly all the facts we know in just a short time, well done.  The first time we encounter Samuel is his marriage allegation shortly before his marriage to Sarah Robinson. He states he is of St Benet's parish at the time of the marriage and it seems that from snippets we have gleaned from papers and such that he moves into Beaufort Buildings with the Robinson family and that's where he dies.  And yes that is his will which gives us no clues at all about his beginnings.  You have seven of his nine children the first two were Sarah Margaret b1771 and Doligny b1772.  When she was baptised in Jan 1773, at St Clement Danes, her name was spelt Doulinie.  The Usher tree that you found has Samuel as a Colonel, something we have no proof of.

I was just about to send this when your next message arrived.  Yes you are right! Found the Edwards/Bray/Pierce theory years ago and, along with other family reseachers, searched for proof and found none.  Although I must say some 'cousins' want to believe it because it's in Burke's Peerage!  Always dubious about trees that have people dying in the US when it is patently obvious that they couldn't have - a slip of the drop down menu maybe.

Bob & Helen 

[Gadget]

Hi again 

Could you say in which newpaper you found the ref to Flintshire?  I've found various entries to their marriage via my local library (online) but, so far, no mention of Flintshire.

e.g.

The Morning Post, Monday 11 Feb 1822 - where it says that Doligny was the second daughter of the late Samuel Edwards, Esq.
Bristol Mercury, Saturday 16 Feb 1822 - again, Doligny was 2nd daughter of the late S Edwards, Esq., of Beaufort Buildings, Strand

Searching for Doligny and Meredyth, both with various spellings is not easy is it 

brevitas

[Rochdalian]

It was in the Bath Chronicle & Weekly Gazette 14 Feb 1822 - Sir J. C. Meredyth, bart. of Maudleen, co. Kilkenny to Doligny, second daughter of the late Samuel Edwards, esq; of Flintshire.

Don't think anyone really cared about correct spelling in those days - or now come to think of it

B & H