Baptismal records, Carradale, Arygll., 1819

[BonnieDownUnder]

Hi Shirl, Hope you don't mind me asking for your assistance again.  I am now trying another track on finding my elusive John Campbell born 1819. 
Do you know if on a Scottish baptismal record when it is shows that a child is a 'natural born' son, (as opposed to 'lawful son'), that the parents, in this case, John Campbell and Jean McCallum, weren't married at the time of the child's birth? Bonnie

[shirl100]

Hi again

Certainly from my research it does show if the child was unlawful, same with English records too - a good one in the 1650's for one of mine was "begotten in fornication" - no escaping from that one!.

Shirl

[bleckie]

Hi

Silly one but he may not have been baptised at birth. I have one family where four children were baptised at the same time.

I was in my twenties when I was baptised.

Written on the back of my birth certificate by my local minister.

Yours Aye
BruceL

[BonnieDownUnder]

Hi Shirl ... well that's got to be the best one I ever heard!!!

Hi BruceL ...  thanks your message and that is a very good point, he may not have been baptised, unlike the majority of children were in Scotland within a day or so of birth  ...  but how the heck do I search the Carradale church records trying to pin point when he was baptised, (have his birth date), not knowing who his parents were, which I am trying to find out.   

My only clue is that he and his wife appear to have followed the traditional scottish naming patterns.  They had 4 children, boy, girl, girl, boy.  First girl was named after mother's wife and last boy named after wife's father.  The first boy was named john, and second daughter named Mary ... 

[bleckie]

Hi BonnieDownUnder

The link below may help explain your predicament

http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/records.html

Yours Aye
BruceL

[shirl100]

Hi

Silly one but he may not have been baptised at birth. I have one family where four children were baptised at the same time.

I was in my twenties when I was baptised.

Written on the back of my birth certificate by my local minister.

Yours Aye
BruceL

Quite right unfortunately - one of my Smith ancestors (elusive enough as it is with Smith for a name) was baptised 20 years after birth, sometimes they were baptised just before marriage. Others may have been baptised but the entry is missing from the registers so it's a matter of trying to prove which parents are the right ones. I get a list of possibles and try and follow each family through as you can get valuable clues sometimes.

I think you will need quite alot of patience and lots of luck!

Shirl

[BonnieDownUnder]

Thanks BruceL and Shirl your responses ... yeah, it looks like it is going to be lots of luck tracking John Campbell's parents. 

I have two other peripheral avenues that may help, or add more confusion, to follow up on:
John's two sons, John b1841 (my 2xggf) and Peter b1852 both came to Australia, with Peter prior to attending the Greenwich Hospital School (have this record) and becoming a Sea Captain. I have information that a Colin Angus Campbell (also a Sea Captain) was their cousin and found that his father Angus, was born in 1811 at Carradale with father John Campbell and mother Jean McCallum.  What I don't know of course is if Colin was John & Peter's first, second or ... cousin.

The other avenue is that a Georgina Janet Campbell who died a spinster in Edinburgh in 1897 left money to my ggf, William Campbell (son of John b1841)  I have tracked her parents and siblings but once again I don't know how the heck they fit into the family tree.  Isabella's Will is available for viewing at the NAS (but not online) and I have approached a professional researcher to ascertain what the cost would be for him to look at the record ... unfortunately his research quotation was outside of my means.  I feel it would be a 'big ask' for someone on Roots Chat to look up this record for me but I would be more than happy to do researching, in exchange, at the NSW Archives in return for the favour ... appreciate your thoughts. Bonnie

[shirl100]

I think tracing the possible connections with the families you mentioned will be a good start although I suspect very time consuming. For the will, why not start a new topic and ask for a look up & with a bit of luck someone will be going to NAS at some point. Alternatively email NAS and ask what they would charge for a photoopy of the will to be sent or scanned & emailed to you, worth a try.

Shirl

[shirl100]

Interesting that the Scottish Archive Network ( http://www.scan.org.uk/) says all testaments registered between 1500 and 1901 are available on scotlandspeople so I wonder why Georgina's will isn't available.

Shirl