Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?

[cando]

DEATHS

LANDELLS.-On the 15th April, at his son's residence, Bacchus Marsh, James Douglas, beloved father of Janie,Mary, Grace, James, William, Annie, David, Edward, John and Harry, aged 77 years. A respected resident of Coburg for many years. A colonist of 64 years.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577709

His obit:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577711

Debra 

http://www.picturevictoria.vic.gov.au/site/coburg/chs/17239.html

Photo c1920 is of the ten grandchildren of Adam LANDELLS of Northumberland and Coburg.
Dave Landells, Harry Landells, Jack Landells, Edward Landells, William George Landells, Adams James Landells, Grace Landells (Mrs Waller) Mary Landells, Jane Landells and Annie Landells

Adam James [b.1868]appears to be the eldest male.  Adam James Douglas born 1876 appears to be Edward.  Edward appears to be dressed differently and of an earlier era.  Has his photo been added?  Something doesn't look right to me but I'm certainly no expert when it comes to photography.

Cando

[westernwombat]

@Geordie Daughter, I have had a look at the South African records via an initial link from FamilySearch
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-5CR7

and noticed that for the birth of several children ( ) the witnesses were Melville Cutting, Katie Cutting, Elizabeth Landells (wife: a Cutting), James Landells, and Caroline Fish.

Does your research of Cutting family yield anything useful? Amongst numerous Cutting born in Victoria, Australia I don't see those above (though led to believe so, from a FS entry).
Also, I'm confused about who this James Landells was. There are so many...

[majm]

Hi there westernwombat,

May I ask for your comments re replies #31 to 36 .....

JM

[cando]

My additions of the names in the linked photograph reply#36, in blue font.  Copyright prevents me from attaching the photograph.  May I also suggest you purchase their mother Sarah's death certificate as all the issue of the marriage both living and deceased would be detailed.

Where do you find the children you have detailed below, are from James Douglas LANDELLS and Jane SINGLETON?  According to my resource which is the same as the online VIC BDM, the parents are James Douglas LANDELLS and Sarah SINGLETON.

The hand-written list does not include 3 of the children that I have on my data, for James Douglas Landells + Jane Singleton.

This is the correlation I can give -


william james         3 jan 1860  <-- william dead   
jane                 31 aug 1861  <-- jane       17 years     Jane
mary margaret        24 nov 1863  <-- mary    ?  14 years Mary
grace douglas        19 jul 1866  <-- grace      12 years   Grace -Mrs WALLER
adam james           31 jan 1868  <-- james      10 years Adam James
william george       25 dec 1869  <-- william     8 years    William George.
annie ada             1 jan 1872  <-- annie       6 years    Annie
david henry          19 jan 1874  <-- david       4 years    Dave
edward george        24 mar 1876
adam james douglass  24 mar 1876  <-- adam james  2 years  Edward
john dallawell        5 aug 1877                                     Jack
henry hunter          7 jan 1882                                   Harry

     westernwombat

Cando

[westernwombat]

Hi there westernwombat,

May I ask for your comments re replies #31 to 36 .....

JM

#36 - I think the photo is genuine
[ edit - internet connection problems]
The others - the handwritten images and following explanation, photos of course raise the question of changed names and the non-existence of twins. I think it also re-poses the initial topic - "whose son is he?". I'm not sure.
Possibly the information from South African records could clarify - but I have only looked at the few children I mentioned above, and a link I gave shows another (Hilda Sauerman LANDELLS) that I know nothing about.

Why do you ask?

[cando]

The 'handwritten images' are from the Victorian BDM Registers which were handwritten in that era.  Do you not understand about the Victorian certificates.  You stated you lived in Melbourne in one of your earlier posts.

Of course there were no twins registered in 1876.

The death notice of Sarah gave ten children one of which was named Edward.  I have already suggested that her death certificate would name issue of her marriage with James.

Why do you ask?

  Why not....we are all attempting to help and that's what we do on here on rootschat.

Cando

[westernwombat]

sorry, @cando - I'm not obtuse. I understood that from well before #31 post. Not further explanations needed. 

[Dundee]

Edward appears to be dressed differently and of an earlier era.  Has his photo been added?  Something doesn't look right to me but I'm certainly no expert when it comes to photography.

Cando

That photo certainly looks altered to me.  His jacket lapel should be behind the shoulder of the man to his right, not in front.  He is also a different colour and too big.

It wasn't unusual to add missing or deceased people to portraits.

Debra 

[cando]

I'd dearly love to know why he ended up in South Africa, but unless he left under a cloud, and the fact was locally reported, I guess I'll never find out.

Perhaps this is the reason he left Australia.

Victorian Police Gazette 17 Jun 1896  Page#179
DESERTERS OF WIVES AND CHILDREN

Edward LANDELLS is charged on warrant for deserting his illegitimate child by Elizabeth Harris, 350 Weston Street, Brunswick, at Brunswick on 11th inst.  Description - 20 or 21 years of age, 5 feet 10 inches high, medium build, fair complexion, fair hair and small light brown moustache only, large blue eyes; generally wears a brown suit, sometimes a boxer hat and other times a brown felt hat.  12 Jun 1896.

This is possibly the birth reg of that child

HARRIS Clifford
Father - blank    Mother Elizabeth HARRIS
At Carlton  1896  Reg#1889


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