Missing marriages and parish confusions!

[Chasing-fireflies]

Hi,

Any help with the following would be greatly appreciated as I think I am missing something which might be to do with the fact I am so confused with the parishes of this area. I have resigned myself to the fact that these records might not even exist anymore!

I have marriages that are evading me as follows:

Alfred Sturton Pinn born Islington c. 1834 married Eleanor ? b. middlesex (?)c. 1844 (?)


William Pinn b. middlesex  (possibly marylebone or chatham ) c. 1794 married to Ann(e) ? born c.1791

William Pinn (b.possibly  St. George the Martyr, Southwark. 1757) married Dorothy ? b. ?

 I have scrolled through so many images to no avail and nothing seems to fit for me on the usual sites. I know that 1/6 of records has been lost/destroyed and maybe the ones I need are in those that no longer exist?

[carol8353]

Taking the first one first I see them in 1881 with a 14 year old daughter Eleanor B b 1867- is she the oldest? Looks like they married about 1863/4 then.......or not at all 

Looking at the censuses it gives his job as a civil engineer,so perhaps he travelled a lot?

Carol

[cath151]

Alfred and Eleanor are both together in 1911 and I think the guess of a marriage in c 1863 sounds good.
I really don t think this is them, but there is the following on familysearch (grasping at straws, can t see any reason whatsoever why they would marry in Ireland)
I don t under stand  the references for Irish Civil Registers but some of the numbers are the same
A* Pinn*
Ballymena 1863

Eleanor Graham
Ballymena 1863

Cathy

[nanny jan]

Hi,

If they registered the birth of Eleanor (b 1867) the certificate will show Eleanor's maiden name; even if they never married.

My gt. grandma gives her name as Mrs.xxxxxx on all 10 birth certificates for her children, yet the couple never married. 


Nanny Jan

[carol8353]

My gt. grandma gives her name as Mrs.xxxxxx on all 10 birth certificates for her children, yet the couple never married. 


Nanny Jan

So does my great grandma's 
They finally married in 1914 ,21 years after the birth of the first of their 10 children.
My gran was 14 when her parents married.I bet she never knew they weren't though!

Carol

[carol8353]

I can't see the 1867 birth of Eleanor B ,unless she's the Blanche born in Camberwell?
Nor her brother William b 1867,but their younger brother Henry is there,so this may be the cert you'll have to get to find mum's maiden name.

Births Mar 1871 

Pinn    Henry Arthur         Islington    1b   282

[nanny jan]

Hi,


 I have scrolled through so many images to no avail and nothing seems to fit for me on the usual sites. I know that 1/6 of records has been lost/destroyed and maybe the ones I need are in those that no longer exist?

I did not realise that 1/6 of the records had been lost/destroyed.   

Nanny Jan

[carol8353]

You're not thinking of WW1 service and pensions records are you?

Destroyed by bombing in WW2 and now known as the burnt records?

[Chasing-fireflies]

I did not realise that 1/6 of the records had been lost/destroyed.   

Nanny Jan

Apparently so yes, at least that's what my research over the last 10 years has said. I will try and find where I found that out but I think it was a site which listed all the parish records available. It would make sense though due to the bombings, fires etc over the years. I think you can find out which ones have been destroyed too!

Yes Eleanor B was the eldest Daughter with William, Arthur, Henry, Robert, charles and Herbert following in the years up to 1881.

They are extremely elusive and maybe they didn't marry at all!