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Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« on: Tuesday 19 March 13 11:40 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for the family of Thomas Bagnall in the 1841 and 51 census for Cannock. He had the following children Ellen 1821, Mary 1823, William 1825, Hannah 1826, Sarah 1828, George 1830 and Henry 1833.

I don't know who Thomas's wife was nor his birth.

Hopefully the census can provide some answers.

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 March 13 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Graham
1841 Cannock next to Physics Cottage
Thomas Bagnall 55 labourer y
Mary 55 y
George 11y
1851 Hatherton Lane Cannock
Thomas Bagnall 69 farmer 6 acres Cannock
Mary 64 Cannock
George 9 grandson Canncok
There's another Thomas Bagnall age 34 ag lab Cannock living next door.Wife Ann 33-children George 7,Emma 6,Thomas 4 and William 3 months.
In 1841 William Bagnall 15 is an apprentice grinder in Mill St with a Thomas and Elizabeth Jackson 25.
Can't see the other children.
Christenings at Cannock Benjamin 22.8.1813,Ellen 29.4.1821,William 13.3.1825,Hannah 17.12.1826,Sarah 15.6.1828-29.4.1829,George 3.1.1830,and Henry 24.11.1833.

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 March 13 12:22 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Thomas (now 79 and widowed) has James and Mary "Holdfirth" (perhaps she is his daughter Mary) lodging with him: RG9/1982/38/19.

In 1871 Thomas Bagnall now aged "90" and giving his birthplace as Penkridge is lodging with James and Mary "Holford": RG10/2924/43/9.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 March 13 12:23 GMT (UK) »
Death June 1874 age 92 Penkridge Will 25.6.1874 £100 proven by James Holford of Cannock farmer.
Possible bapt Penkridge 24.2.1782 to Randolph Bagnall.Other children Robert 12.10.1788,William 23.10.1774,and Mary 11.10.1776.
James and Mary Holdferth b 1822/1823 Acton Trussell and Cannock,probably son in law and daughter.
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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 March 13 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks ciderdrinker.

The Thomas and Ann which you refer to living next door. Is this in the 1841 or 1851 census?

There's another Thomas Bagnall age 34 ag lab Cannock living next door.Wife Ann 33-children George 7,Emma 6,Thomas 4 and William 3 months.

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Names: Rushent, Husselbee, Husselby, Crutchley, Woodier, Jervis, Barker,

Locations: Staffordshire, Wiltshire, Leicestershire, Warwickshire, Lincolnshire, London

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 10:01 GMT (UK) »
It's 1851 Graham ,so could be another son?
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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 10:50 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks ciderdrinker.  :)

Could I trouble you a little further please? is ther any record of the younger Thomas and Ann in the 1861 census and is there any record of Benjamin in the census records at all?

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Names: Rushent, Husselbee, Husselby, Crutchley, Woodier, Jervis, Barker,

Locations: Staffordshire, Wiltshire, Leicestershire, Warwickshire, Lincolnshire, London

Military: Grenadier Guards, Yeoman of the Guards, Crimea, Army WW1

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 March 13 12:36 GMT (UK) »
No problem Graham
Let's start with Benjamin
1841 Moat road Birmingham
Samuel Swineburn 55 publican n
Mary 54 n
Matilda Hopkins 17 F.s. n
Benjamin Bagnall 30 M.s. n
Ann Bagnall 26 F.s n (possible marriage to an Ann Cooper sep 1839 Kings Norton)

1851 census Birmingham Bow st
Benjamin Bagnall 37 retail brewer Cannock(marriage Aston 1847 to Mary Coaton or Mary Ann Podmore)
Mary 31 wife Birmingham
Sarah 11 daughter Birmingham
Mary A 1 Birmingham

1861 Bow St
Benjamin Bagnall 48 retail brewer Cannock
Mary 42 Birmingham
Harry 8 Birmingham
Ann M(aria) 8 Birmingham
Thomas 5 Birmingham
He died Birmingham Mar 1869 age 56 .Will 13.1.1869/16.9.1869 £<100 to widow Mary  and Henry Smith malster execs.He ran a beerhouse at 37 Bow St from 1845 according to trade directories.
In 1871 the rest of the family are at the same address,Harry is now an engraver and Thomas  a clerk.
After that in 1881 the Saracens Head 20 Edgbaston st
Harry Bagnall 28 lic vitualler
Joseph Tomlinson 27 brotherin law brass chandelier maker Birmingham
Ann M Tomlininson 28 sister
Joseph Ward uncle widower 50 brewer Birmingham
Lizzie Haggis 25 dom servant Radnorshire Kinton
On to Thomas -1861 lodging house Cannock
Thomas Bagnall 44 lodging house keeper Hatherton Staffs
Ann 43 Bednall
Thomas 11 brickmaker Cannock
William 10
James 8
Charles 5
Henry 3
Mary Ann 8mths- then a load of lodgers.

1871 Cannock
Thomas 54 no job Norton
Ann 52 Bednall
William 20,James 19,Charles16 and Henry 13  coal miners Cannock
Thomas died Mar 1872 age 55 Penkridge .
Hope that helps

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Re: Thomas Bagnall 1841 1851
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 March 13 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Just a few baptisms
Ben and Ann Bagnall- St martins Birmingham John 19.4.1844/16.9.1844,Anne 29.3.1847/20.4.1847
Ben and Mary Ann-St Thomas Birmingham-Mary Ann 19.5.1850,Benjamin 26.7/17.8.1851,Harry  and Ann Maria 9.1.1853 and Thomas 6.5.1855.
Thomas and Ann Bagnall Cannock- George 9.5.1843,Edmund 6.4.1845,Thomas 21.3.1847,Emma 25.12.1848,William 12.1.1851,James 7.11.1852,Charles 2.9.1855,Harry 6.12.1857,Mary Anne 9.9.1860
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