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William and Isaac Williams
« on: Thursday 21 March 13 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Wonder if anyone can help me with my search into William and Isaac Williams.

John Williams 1806 Chirk Married Sarah Roberts in Chirk in 1826 Stonemason

I am stuck with this John Williams's Parents and he is beleived to have 2 brothers Isaac and William.
I just cant seem to find them anywhere any help would be great 

Did find a William 1791 married to a Mary Green in 1813 but not sure of this. if you look at the dates he would be 22 and her 21

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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 March 13 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Val

Are you sure that he was born in 1806 or are you taking his date of birth from the 1841 at HO107/1399/2/17/8. I see that there Sarah, Sarah's mother (Mary) and John are all in the probable rounded category - 35, 65 and 35 respectively.  There is a possible for him in 1805 but not really enough info to go on.

I'll do some more searching.  Their marriage is on the same page as one of my ancestors' and I see that one of the witnesses was a John McLeod.


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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 March 13 13:33 GMT (UK) »
I've just checked my Chirk baptism records and the only this  baptism that would fit is -

20 Jan 1805  (born 6th Jan) John Williams s/o John and Jane

I can't find an Isaac at the moment*. Do you have any more info on the two brothers that might help?


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* Possible only for Issac:
Ruabon
1st May 1815 1814 Issac Williams s/o John and Jane of Cefn Bychan
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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Hope this makes sense a note I had from a distant relative

John Williams  was born somewhere near Chirk in 1806, although in his will he wrote that he was ‘from Stourbridge in the parish of Ruabon’ and in the codicil ‘from Newbridge near Ruabon’: both of these are little villages near Ruabon and only a few miles from Chirk. From his will, quoted later in this, we know had a brother called Isaac, who I’ve been unable to find in the records: I also haven’t yet discovered their parents. Do any of you, their descendants, know anything about them? We’re looking for a Mr. and Mrs. Williams, perhaps born around 1780 or earlier, probably in the Chirk area of Denbighshire, with two sons named William and Isaac.

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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:22 GMT (UK) »
Newbridge and Cefn Bychan are adjacent and on the Pentre/Halton side of Chirk parish - just over the Dee (the bridge over it there was 'the new bridge').  I have some Williams in my tree. They mostly lived in the Halton/Black Park area of Chirk. I notice that John was living Cefn Bychan in the later census.

I would think that John, a stone mason/builder,  might well have worked for Thomas Telford  who was building roads, bridges and via/aquaducts in the area over the time period. The witness, John McLeod might well have been a fellow worker as Telford brought quite a few Scots with him.

I'll see if I can find out some more. The John and Jane seem the most promising parents at the moment.


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PS - I grew up in the area so know the various hamlets pretty well  ;D
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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:24 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure that you saw my possible for Isaac:


* Possible only for Issac:
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1st May 1815 1814 Issac Williams s/o John and Jane of Cefn Bychan
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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:28 GMT (UK) »
This Isaac is very tempting - 1851 living Newbridge Bank, Ruabon

HO107/2503/116/26

Does John's  will say where Isaac was living?
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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Unfortunatly not
But this is John Williams Will dated 1868
This is the last Will and Testament of me John Williams of Stourbridge in the parish of Ruabon in the County of Denbigh Mason     I give and devise unto my Son John Williams and his heirs for ever my two Dwellinghouses with the Land called the Bonk Croft and appurtances thereunto belonging situate at Cefu Bycham  now in the holdings of Samuel Richards and John Jones but subject to any claim or liability I or my brother Isaac Williams (as my surety) may have rendered ourselves to the treasurers of the County of Denbigh in respect of a Bond (which expires in 1884) entered into by us for the rebuilding (in case of demolition) of a certain Bridge called Baeba Bridge near Llangollen       I give and devise the rest and residue of my real Estate wheresoever situate/subject to the annual payment of Eight pounds a piece to my daughters Elizabeth Harriet Eli[z]a and Jane (which I direct to commence after twelve months after my decease and to be paid quarterly)    And I bequeath the whole of my personal Estate of whatsoever nature or description the same may be consist of (but subject to the payment of my debts funeral and testamentary expenses) unto my wife Sarah Williams and my two daughters Mary and Anne equally during the lifetime of my said Wife   and after her decease I give devise and bequeath the said residue of my Real Estate (subject to the payments of the annuities aforesaid to my said daughters for their natural lives) and the whole of my said personal Estate unto and equally between my said two daughters Mary and Anne absolutely as Tenants in common and not as joint Tenants - I appoint my said Daughters Mary and Anne joint Executors of this my Will hereby revoking every other I may have made.   

This may also shed some light
John 1st (or his father) may also have been the owner of a fine house near Ruabon called Bron Heilick Hall, near Chirk, and I believe they tried to find the house many years ago. Bron Heilick was reputed to be “the old home of the Williams family”, up a long drive, an old regency building (or was this just part of it?).  There was a fire at some point, but perhaps part of the house still remains, just a wing of the original house. From the will that John Williams’ father made, John’s two sisters inherited all the remainder of their father’s real estate, which could have included Bron Heilick, so they may have lived there after their father’s death. Again, local historians might help us on this question.


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Re: William and Isaac Williams
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:45 GMT (UK) »
I'm away from most of my local books at the moment - and really on holiday  ::)  - so............

It might be worth you doing some searches in the Llangollen Advertizer, now free to search on the National Library site:

http://papuraunewyddcymru.llgc.org.uk/en/home   

Maybe work out some appropriate magic  words  :-X

I've found quite a lot of info on my lines from there already.


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