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John BERRY and Rosina
« on: Thursday 21 March 13 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Please can you find early records and/or marriage details for John Berry and Rosina.
John Berry, b. Chard, Somerset, abt 1827. (Died 1900, occupation Mariner, Engine Driver - Steam Ship.)
He married Rosina (aka Rose) abt. 1848. (Family believe she was possibly from a German family named Schaffer or similar; 1911 census records married 63 yrs.)
Rosina, b. Bristol abt 1827, is listed in the 1871 census, 44, married with children at 6 William Street, Bristol (RG10/2561/60 p 9), but John is not listed there.
John and Rosina are listed at the same address in census 81 & 91.
Rosina is at the same address with her daughter's family in census 1901 & 11, she died in 1917.
Thanks, Jeff

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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 March 13 13:13 GMT (UK) »
A birth cert of one of their children would give Rosina's maiden name, and therefore help find her.
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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:35 GMT (UK) »
It's possible they didn't actually marry officially but lived as husband and wife  :)

Is Clara the oldest child born about 1861?  Seems odd if they married around 1848 - or were older children born before her  :-\
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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:49 GMT (UK) »
There is a family tree on Ancestry ( O'Keefe) that has a John Berry married to a Rosina Avenall b.1827 d.1917. They had 5 children, Clara Jane, Charles, Matilda, Albert and Emily. Could this be them/her?

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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 March 13 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Which daughter is she living with in 1911?
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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 March 13 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: DebGlaze on Thursday 21 March 13 14:49 GMT (UK)
There is a family tree on Ancestry ( O'Keefe) that has a John Berry married to a Rosina Avenall b.1827 d.1917. They had 5 children, Clara Jane, Charles, Matilda, Albert and Emily. Could this be them/her?

There is this household in 1861 (my transcription):

1861 census: RG9/1715/13/20

Castle Cottage, Castle Ward, Bristol

Rosina AVENELL Wife Mar 33 Tailoress Bristol
Emma BERRY Lodger Mar 45 Straw Bonnet Maker London
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 March 13 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Aha! Is this where the Schafer name comes in?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTQK-V88

Added: and a son for George and Rosina...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J72Q-CCQ

Birth, Mar qtr 1862: Albert Edward John AVENELL, Bristol 6a 19

Death, Mar qtr 1864: Albert Edward John AVENELL, Bristol 6a 59

Also: Birth, Sep qtr 1860: Clara Jane AVENELL, Bristol 6a 17
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 March 13 16:00 GMT (UK) »
1851 census: HO107/1947/265/33

8 Mitchell Lane, Temple, Bristol

George AVENELL Head Mar 27 Labourer Wilts Ramsbury
Rosina do Wife 22 Plain worker Taunton
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John BERRY and Rosina
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 March 13 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Oh so in 1864 she was still married to George - what happened to him? *

Thinking even more now she never married John Berry.

* George seems to be around for the next few census lodging at places in Bristol but not married  :-\
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