Mary Ann Ebbethite/Ebbithite

[Maddie]

Hi, I think I have found your Mary Ann & it looks like the 1851 census posted for William & Dinah is correct.

From Family Search there is a baptism at Box Lane Independent H/H for Mary Ann Ebithite on 25th June 1837, parents William & Dinah, actual birth date is 10 July 1826.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5V9-XTD

I can't find her in the 1841 yet though.

Maddie

[tancor2]

Thanks to all who have replied,i have not been able to find her on the 1841 census but the the names of William and Dinah found by you in 1851 look worth investigating,i have also found the name spelt different so it is hard to know if i have the correct spelling thanks again for all your help.

[KGarrad]

i have also found the name spelt different so it is hard to know if i have the correct spelling

These people were Agricultural Labourers, and therefore probably not literate?
So I don't think they were too concerned about spellings!

The registrar, priest, vicar, or whoever jost wrote down what they thought the spelling could be

[Maddie]

I'm sure you are right about the reasons for the spelling KGarrard but oh it has made it difficult to research these folks. Even trying to say the name with a Hertfordshire accent.

Regarding the 1841 census that keyboard found, I tend to agree that it is the same family in Picots End as on the 1851. According to Family Search (& another source) William & Dinah did also have a John & Daniel. Why the name should be Rowland though is a complete mystery.

Maddie

[tancor2]

I think it happens a lot that the people were not literate and the people writing down the names as you say spelt them as they thought they should be spelt.
i find it interesting that in the 1841 census you have the family living in Picots end,because this is were my 3GGrandfather lived and it was his son Thomas that married Mary Ann Ebbethite so it is looking as if William and Dinah could be the missing parents,do not know anything about the reason for the name Rowland

[KGarrad]

I'm sure you are right about the reasons for the spelling KGarrard but oh it has made it difficult to research these folks. Even trying to say the name with a Hertfordshire accent.

Thanks Maddie - you have just made my point (not that saying you are illiterate! Far from it!!)

My surname is Garrad, not Garrard!
Which just proves how easy it is to get a name wrong

People are forever getting my name wrong , so maybe I am more aware than most of surname variations?

[Maddie]

My apologies KGarrad  & I do agree with you over spellings & pronunciation of names as my maiden name was forever being pronounced wrong.

tancor, as both of your families were in Picots End it is looking good but where was Mary A. Perhaps she was the Mary Rowland with the Smith family.

Maddie

[Maddie]

I believe I have just found the connection to Rowland although I haven't yet worked out why  but on Family Search it would seem that William Ebithite who married Dinah was the son of William Ebuthite & Susannah c1775 in Hemel Hempstead, this couple also had a daughter Ann baptised in 1777, the fathers name is William Ebuthite or Rowland on the record.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NB7L-V5D

More mysterious than ever.

Maddie

[keyboard86]

Hi just posting these for ref later on tonight:-

1861 Census
William EBBTTST 82
Dinah 72
Jane A Edwards 6 Great Grandaughter
Residing at Picotts End
RG09/838/89/9

1861Census

John Ebethight 42
Sarah 41 wife
Residing Chapel Street
Census ref RG09/838/40/21

1871 Census

John Ebithite 52
Sarah 57 or 51?
Jane Edwards 16 Niece
Residing at Chapel Street
Census ref RG10/1386/48/33
Keyboard86

Who and under what surname did John marry?
Keyboard86