Author Topic: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?  (Read 9535 times)

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 27 March 13 23:06 GMT (UK) »
sillgen, I would be enormously grateful if you could have look at Courtlands.  Following up Ruskie's question - does England (or each County) have a land titles office?
I will go back to all the censuses to see when the name Courtlands appears in West Hoathly

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 27 March 13 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Clontarf, definitely a new thread needed for the Nairn Arms.  ;)

Sillgen may be able to split your question from this thread and start a new one for you.

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 29 March 13 00:55 GMT (UK) »
Eureka! - proof (almost)

The West Hoathly Archive contains a photo description:

"Tyes Cross from the air from the North East showing Courtlands Lodge to the right and East and West Tye in the centre. West Tye was once Courtlands School and Courtlands was formerly called BARNARDS PLACE."

Is it too much to presume Barnards is a corruption of Barnet(t)s?

Thanks again to Ruskie for pointing me in the direction of the Archive site; and to everyone else - you have helped me clarify my ideas and corrected my map reading.

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 29 March 13 08:54 GMT (UK) »
That does sound positive.    Success!


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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 30 March 13 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Good result Clontarf! Put on the right track at the start by sillgen's map I think.  :)

I would still be interested to find out which of those buildings currently known as "Courtlands" was the original Barnet's Place.

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 31 March 13 11:02 BST (UK) »
Yes, the map was a key (thank you, sillgen - do you have a date for the map?).

I too would like to be sure which building is the original Barnets Place.   I think it must be the largest building closest to the road, to the west of the nursery.  The eastern end looks, from the google earth image, to have a large multistory section with a hipped roof which would match the description in the 1811 advertisement and the reconstruction suggested by artifis.  I am sure it has been subsequently extended and some of the original outbuildings incorporated into the main structure.

A question about the 1811 description - would the "and on the second four servants rooms" mean we are looking for a three story house; or would the servants rooms have been in an attic?  I think the house must have been built by Fasham Nairn when he moved to West Hoathly in the late 1770s, early 1780s.  In an English context that would be "modern-built".

The change of name from Barnets Place to Courtlands can probably be narrowed down to between 1864 when William Aveling Nairn died and 1868 when a poster advertises the sale of The Courtlands Estate by Norton, Trist , Watney & Co. (document 0253 in the West Hoathly Archive)

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 31 March 13 15:25 BST (UK) »

A question about the 1811 description - would the "and on the second four servants rooms" mean we are looking for a three story house; or would the servants rooms have been in an attic?

Good question clontarf. I'm afraid I could not hazzard a guess.

However additional storeys (and other additions) may have been added since the 1700s/1800s which could render it virtually unrecognizable from the 1811 description.

 At least it appears to still be standing which is great news.

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 31 March 13 18:15 BST (UK) »
http://www2.westsussex.gov.uk/ds/cttee/row/row120612i7b.pdf

This refers to a right of way issue and at para 6.1 it mentions "..... the Barnett Estate map of the area 1865".
Wd the map be available at W. Sussex archives?

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Re: Where is Barnets Place, West Hoathly, Sussex?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 16 April 13 15:19 BST (UK) »
Sorry not to reply sooner.  The map I have is a modern version of an old ordnance survey one.  In typical fashion I can't find it now to check the actual date!  Brighton area. Published by Cassini.