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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 29 October 15 00:33 GMT (UK) »
25 Apr 1698   Married    John COLLINGWOOD husb of Mary BARKER(widow)   Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX  mariner of Wapping


Jane Muscoe, married John Collingwood in 1714 in Barking, Essex. was a  *victualler in Ratcliffe, St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England when he died.
 His widow, Jane Collingwood, died in St. Ann's in Soho in the 1740's.

John Collingwood  died in Ratcliffe, about 1727 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England. In his will, he left his wife, Jane ( Muscoe ) Collingwood, property. His siblings mentioned in the will were Elizabeth Collingwood, Sarah Parker, William Collingwood, and George Collingwood. His will mentions a home or property in Surrey, England. After her death, it was left to John Collingwood's sister, Sarah Parker.

*Victuallers in Ratcliffe in the 18th century were  often  retired master mariners or  crafted seaman that had made enough money to safeguard their retirement could have been as early as 45yrs  Spending twenty to thirty years on ships it was one of the trades they could easily turn their hand to. Some married into trades owned by widows.

About Ratcliffe. This was a Parish of St Dunstan's and no longer officially exists. Situated between Shadwell and Limehouse, St Annes Where Edward Henry Collingwood was christened.
 Ratcliffe from the middle ages was a haunt of pirates, prostitutes, cut-throats, privateering and merchant shipping. If you lived in Ratcliffe, Wapping or Limehouse you were almost certainly involved in the shipping trades or trades associated with the sea and dockyards.
The 'Collingwoods' in the Wapping and Ratcliffe areas where nearly all related with an irritating affinity to 'John or Edward'. This often makes researching them difficult.
Some took on apprenticeships across the river at the Woolwich and Deptford Yards and settled there.

 

Margaret Collingwood - husband a master mariner(Guinea coast), resided at Queen's Court,  leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737  and apprenticed (about 1750 aged 13yrs -1757)?


16 Dec 1757    Edward John COLLINGWOOD   Woolwich Yard KEN    TNA   Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757 

Oct 1764   Married    Edward COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth POINTER   Limehouse, St. Anne

18 Aug 1776   C    John Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizth.   Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX    PR    age 13 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
                          (John Edward the Ropemaker 1776 - 1821 age 45yrs)
 
                                               
 05 Aug 1817   C    EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth   Limehouse, St. Anne MDX        born 5 Jul 1817, father a ropemaker of Limehouse   

 


 

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 29 October 15 00:51 GMT (UK) »
William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, *Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/dljordan/parker-edwards.htm

John Collingwood  died in Ratcliffe, about 1727 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England. In his will, he left his wife, Jane ( Muscoe ) Collingwood, property. His siblings mentioned in the will were Elizabeth Collingwood, *Sarah Parker, William Collingwood, and George Collingwood. His will mentions a home or property in Surrey, England.

 After her death, it was left to John Collingwood's sister, *Sarah Parker. (coincidence?)


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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #56 on: Friday 30 October 15 00:40 GMT (UK) »
Was there a Nelson connection or possibly some distant lineage to Admiral Collingwood?
Milford was used for building warships for the RN at about the time of Francis's birth. Nelson was asked to visit the town to inspect the shipyards.
 
Francis Edward Collingwood  grew up in Hubberstone, Milford and began his training there for Naval service. He was earmarked as officer material....and Nelson wanted him to serve in his flagship the Victory as a midshipman. Was this influenced by Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood? After Trafalgar he was soon promoted to lieutenant and became a commander. If there is a connection to Admiral Collingwood i'm sure i'll find it. My own family have always believed that we are related through a line of distant cousins to Francis Edward Collingwood that settled south of the Thames and took to work in the more favoured yards at Woolwich and Deptford.

Born in Hubberstone, Milford, England on 23 May 1785 to Francis Collingwood and Sarah Richbell. Francis Edward married Ellen Collis and had 4 children. He passed away on 15 Nov 1835 aged 50   in Ballynahglish.

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Parents
Francis Collingwood
1745-1799
Sarah Richbell
Spouse(s)
Ellen Collis
Children
Cuthbert Collingwood
1825-Unknown
Francis Edward Collingwood
1825-Unknown
Samuel Collingwood
1827-Unknown
Thomas Richbell Collingwood
1833-Unknown

http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 04 November 15 00:50 GMT (UK) »
William married Jane Collingwood on December 28, 1766. Jane Collingwood was born about 1740 and died about 1815. Her father was Captain Edward Collingwood, who was born about 1694 and died July 13, 1779 in Greenwich, England.

Parents
Edward Collingwood
1660-1721
Mary Bigge
1663-Unknown
Spouse(s)
Mary Rodham
1700-1783
Jane Carlton
1712-1791

Children
Winifred Collingwood
1744-Unknown
Carlton Collingwood
1746-1871
John Trevor Collingwood
1738-1796
Jane Collingwood
1740-1815
Edward Collingwood
1743-1809
Francis Collingwood 
1745-1799

 {Francis Edward Collingwood  of Trafalgar 1785-1835 was the son of 'Francis Collingwood of Greenwich Esq. by
Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the
Thames Police'.105 His grandfather, Edward Collingwood, had been Master
Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards. His great Grandfather was Captain Edward Collingwood, 1660-1721}

Susannah Collingwood
1748-1818

Many Collingwoods' made the connections from Ratcliffe and Wapping as they moved to the ship building yards, sawmills and roperies of Woolwich, Greenwich and Deptford shipyards. This should prove interesting and may lead us to the ship building yards and sawmills and roperies. The line from Edward Henry the shipwright through John the ropemaker looks likely that 'cousins' will make the connection to Francis Edward Collingwood and his lineage to to Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood.


 Edward was the son of Edward Collingwood (born about 1660 and died in 1721) and Mary Bigge (born about 1663). Captain Collingwood married twice. His first marriage was to Mary Rodham and his second to Jane Carlton. Jane Carlton was born about 1712 in Greenwich and died February 19, 1791 at the Royal Naval Hospital in Greenwich, England. Jane Collingwood was the daughter of Edward Collingwood by his second wife, Jane Carlton.

Admiral Sir William Parker was the eldest. His sister Sarah, was christened March 11, 1744 at Queenborough, Kent. She died unmarried December 4, 1791. A brother Augustine was christened Feb 9,1746 at Queenborough. A sister, Elizabeth Parker, was born October 11, 1748 at Queenborough, Kent, England. She married William Head on July 19, 1785 in Queenborough. A child named Elizabeth Head was born February 9, 1787 also at Queenborough, Kent, England. Another sister Susannah was born and died 1750. A younger brother, Capt. Robert Parker of HMS Intrepid was born April 8, 1753 and died Nov 23, 1797. He married and had 8 children

William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married. The only son, William George, was born in 1787. He married August 29, 1808, Elizabeth Still, (born 1791)the daughter of James Charles Still of East Knoyle in County Wiltshire and Charlotte Wake. He left a large family and died a vice admiral March 24, 1848.( This information from the book "A Naval Biographical Dictionary" by W.R. O'Byrne published in 1849.) One of the daughters of William George Parker and Elizabeth Still was Fanny Catharine who married Charles Bligh in 1837 and died in 1894. One daughter was named Clara and another daughter, Elizabeth Charlotte was born in 1816 in England. Two of the sons married in Toronto. Melville Parker married Jesse Hector in 1847 and Albert Parker married Lucy Henrietta Jennings in 1851.

The second Admiral Sir William Parker lived from 1781 to 1866 and served as Admiral of the Fleet. He was born on December 1, 1781, the third son of George Parker of Almington, Staffordshire, England. George Parker, his father, was the second son of Sir Thomas Parker, who had been lord chief baron of the exchequer. Sir Thomas Parker's nephew was John Jervis, first earl of St. Vincent, who had married Martha Parker, George Parker's half-sister.


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« Reply #58 on: Thursday 05 November 15 23:13 GMT (UK) »
The connection is made from this account of The Royal Navy Memoirs of the services of the flag-officers. Through his ancestry to he MUST be related to the Lord Admiral Collingwood and Admiral Parker. I  now believe his introduction to Nelson's Victory was influenced both by his Uncle, Captain Thomas Richbell and the Admiral himself. I also note that in this report written by serving officers at the time  "....he fired repeatedly..." at the french sniper, with no mention of John Pollard. However, my own view is that they both shot him and should both get the credit. I am still researching to see if a line to  my own ancestry meets the line back to any of the High Sheriffs of Eslington, Dissington, Lilburn and Unthank Hall.

https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
*page 258

FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD RN

Is descended from a very ancient family, the COLLINGWOODS of Eslington, co. Northumberland, of which sixteen were  High Sheriffs and led by their attachment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, *(the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.

Francis Edward Collingwood, only son of Francis Collingwood of Greenwich, Esq by Sarah, sister to the late Captain Thomas Richbell was born at Milford, co. Pembroke and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America, commanded by his *uncle-in-law, the late Vice Admiral Sir William Parker and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates, Elephant and Victory bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after 'repeated' attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74 gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the *present Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.

After serving for some time in the Queen, flag-ship of Admiral Lord Collingwood, and Bahama, one of the Spanish ships captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pallas  in which frigate we find him present, under the command of Captain (now Sir George F.) Seymour, at the destruction of five French men-of-war in Aix Roads, April 12th 1809. In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly employed in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation of Walcheren.

His next appointment was Dec. 13th 1809 to be first lieutenant of the Iris  in which ship he continued for a period of five years.

Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but
the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assistance.
In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers,
sons of the first nobility and gentry  in the kingdom.

The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Collingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the particular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior officer of the squadron on that station.

 Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant of the Niger under Captain Peter Rainier, for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station.
 In December 1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser,employed on the coast of Ireland, where he continued for the usual period of three years. During this time he had two ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the head, he was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been previously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the
square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.

His promotion to the rank of commander took place January 15th, 1828.

This officer(Francis Edward Collingwood) married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter of the late  Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry, by whom he has several children. His only surviving sister was the wife of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dockyard at Pembroke, and is *now the widow of the Rev. Hugh Taylor.

*(nb these texts are written in the past tense as they were at the time. I have tried to 'correct' the numerous typos in transcribing)

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 03 December 15 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Mrs Mary Wiseman's Bequest left £1,000 in her will Jan 1758 to train six young boys as shipwrights at Woolwich Yard. The one condition was that they had to be sons of deceased shipwrights of the Woolwich Yard.

https://goo.gl/DV4UGU

The accademy that she created proved successful and the boys were under the watchful eye of the Master Attendant...Edward Collingwood grand father of Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar initiated and encouraged the training of boys to become sawyers and shipwrights.

https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
 
Edward (John) Collingwood the sawyer and father of John the ropemaker died when he was 4yrs old in 1821. He most likely  used his father's and grandfather's 'tickets' and went on to become a 'freelance' shipwright working for Duncan Dunbar until 1862 and then moving on to working for Green and Wigram until his demise in Old Hong Kong, 1878.
I hope to establish a family connection through Edward the Sawyer (nephew?) and Edward the Master Attendant(uncle-in-law?) through Francis of Trafalgar and the Lord Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood and Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon


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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #60 on: Friday 04 December 15 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Edward Collingwood, Master Attendant at Deptford. Have been to Rye with Justly Watson, directing engineer, and have surveyed the Harbour.
Enclosure
Date:   1756 Dec 31

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9231499

Mrs Withers school along with Mrs Wiseman's bequest helped finance the training of deceased shipwrights sons and to teach them reading, writing and grammar. Girls were taught to cook and do sewing and needlwork.

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 13 December 15 18:30 GMT (UK) »
'correction' to my previous post....« Reply #59 on: Thursday 03 December 15 23:49 GMT (UK) »

(should have read)
Edward (John) Collingwood, 1737-1796-7 (the sawyer) and father of John the ropemaker.1776-1821 died when he was 20yrs old in 1796-7. Edward Henry Collingwood was 4yrs old when his father died in 1821 at only 45yrs.

They both had likely  used their father's and grandfather's 'tickets' to gain indentured apprenticeships and Edward Henry qualified as the son of a deceased ropemaker and the grandson of the sawyer and went on to become a 'freelance' shipwright working for Duncan Dunbar until 1862 and then moving on to working for Green and Wigram until his demise in Old Hong Kong, 1878.

Edward the Sawyer(some transcipts name him as John Edward) may have been the son of John the Guinea-man(slave trader) and Margaret. The Old Bailey transcript of Margaret's account of her husband's work...when speaking to the jury she said..."Well, gentlemen of the jury my husband is a Guinea-man and has been gone these past six years trading on the Guinea Coast and i have had to take in ironing and plain work".  That was in 1748.  To be gone six years and no message brought home since he set sail in 1742 suggests he may have died while at sea?
Whatever his eventuality, his son nonetheless qualified for Mrs Mary Wiseman's school of boys under the auspices of John Puckley(Master Shipwright) at the age of 13 to be apprenticed at the Woolwich Yard' 1750-1757. He would have been under the watchful eye of the Master Attendant, Edward Collingwood and i believe this to have been his uncle, grand father of Francis Edward of Trafalgar. Through this lineage i am trying to connect our line from Edward Henry to possibly Wilfred Collingwood and John Collingwood the customs officer...both brothers of the admiral.

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Re: Edward Henry Collingwood b.1817 - d.1878 Old Hong Kong
« Reply #62 on: Sunday 13 December 15 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought................

{ Seven Sisters Road in Harringey and Islington was thought to be named after seven elm trees that were planted in 1730...this famous London road has had a history of families with seven daughters. One William and Ann Collingwood had seven daughters that were all in service in the mid 19th century. This William worked as an office clerk to the East India Company and it is thought that he also moved north to Hackney and Islington. The sisters were often inseparable and regularly walked one behind the other for years and it appeared were very close throughout their lives ??
Of course we have the famous North Londonites, William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. }

..............and i always thought the road was named after them?