How to find a birth with little info - huge brickwall

[baltibluebird]

Hi

I have hit a huge brickwall in my tree.

How do you find a man's baptism in about 1811 when in the 1841 census he is "born out of county" (the census County being Warwickshire at the 1841 census) and he died sometime between the 1841 and 1851 census?

Basically, I am looking for a birth/bapism of a John (H)orton abt 1811 +/- 5 years - in the 1841 census he is a brewer in Salop Street, Birmingham.

I have details of his marriage in 1831 Edgbaston from a fellow RC and no father's name, of course, is given due to the date: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,434716.msg2988454.html#msg2988454

The only pointer is that John Horton's witness was a William Horton (possibly a brother?)

So, how do I go about this now please does anyone have any ideas or is this an end to this particular branch in my tree?

Thanks in anticipation ...

[g eli]

I have had a couple of these in my family tree, one I solved by tracing the witnesses. See if you can find a William Horton with an age about 5 years on either side in the census. Look on IGI for
John Horton anywhere in England does he have a father or brother William,any other siblings, try tracing them forward to see if you can find a connection.
It is time consuming and you need to take careful notes but sometimes it is rewarding.
 Also try looking in newspapers of the time, all sorts of people got their name in the paper for all sorts of reasons and sometimes they are helpful.
Liz

[baltibluebird]

Thank you for your suggestions.  I had made a start this afternoon looking for a William Horton in the censuses and will keep on looking.

I wonder whether that William Horton was also involved in brewing trade.

[[Ray]]

Hi

He appears to have died around 1848-1851, assuming the 1851 census details are "correct".
ie William is 1 yo.

As the children were born "Aston" then one of the 2x Aston deaths (1848+1850) could be added to your list of potentials?

Ray

[chenet]

Names of children can help too as often they are the names of parents.  If you can eliminate his wife's family names you might try looking for the other names as his parents.

[baltibluebird]

Ray - thanks for these 2 death date suggestions. 

Chenet - Thanks for that suggestion, I do have his wife's family names already.

[alpinecottage]

I looked in www.historicaldirectories.org

There is a John Horton, brewer in Tonk Street, B'ham in 1840-ish and some William Hortons in directories of similar dates (various occupations).  You could try chasing these Williams through the censuses and establish their birth dates and see where they came from - that might give you a lead.

[baltibluebird]

Thanks alpinecottage, I had found him in Tonk Street Birmingham directory.

I think its becoming clear that I need to try and track William Horton in the censuses. 

[MargP]

Hi Westwood

The Horton name is a nightmare to research, I just been trying to sort my Hortons out, they are from the Staffordshire area, Darlaston, Wednesbury, West Bromwich, but I not gone that far back on them yet, and it does not help, when all the sibling name there children the same names, does it state on the Marriage which parish he was living in.

Margp