John and Thomas Ledsam

[giddeygirl]

Hi,
I am looking for information about John Ledsam, who came to Australia before 1848, worked as the poundkeeper in Maitland, New South Wales, lived for some time in Adelaide, South Australia, travelled to Ireland, married Martha, who died in 1848, possibly in Youghal, Ireland, then returned to Australia.
He next married Margaret Cusick or Cusack, in Maitland, having resumed his job as poundkeeper). He and Margaret had several children, including Anna Mary, later known as Hannah Mary (at marriage).
I don't know if John and Martha ever lived in Maitland or had any children. I don't yet have John's death certificate.
I do have the marriage certificate of John and Margaret.
John's father was possibly Thomas Ledsam, Fermoy, Cork. Thomas may have travelled to Australia and lived in Maitland, as a Thomas died there aged about 70.

[AMBLY]

Hi there

John LEDSAM died 1869, son on Thomas (NSW BMD), age 66 (FINDAGRAVE)
Thomas LEDSAM died 24th March 1854, age 73 (NSW BMD)(FINDAGRAVE) (TROVE)

These two are buried in the same grave at Campbells Hill Cemetery, NSW: Plot: Sect B4, plot 40575
Finda Grave:     http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&

TROVE articles reveal:
1845: John LEDSAM had Poundkeeper Rooms, had resigned and Thomas LEDSAM was appointed.
1849: Martha LEDSAM, wife of John, former Poundkeeper West Maitland and late of Adelaide.  She died June 1849, Youghal, age 34, Cholera.
1852: John Married2: Margaret CUSACK in Maitland, Eldest son of  Thomas LEDSAM, Fermoy, Cork
   ISSUE of John with Margaret:
   1853: Thomas, 1st July
   1855: Jeremiah, February
   1857: Anna/Hannah Mary, 4th March
   1859: Elizabeth
   1862: Florence John, a Son, 4th May (died 1884)

There was also a Jeremiah LEDSAM, probably a brother of John:
1844:  Alice Ross Chambers LEDSAM born, parents: Jeremiah & Eliza (died 1845)
1849: Jane Ann LEDSAM, eldest daughter of Jeremiah LEDSAM of West Maitland, married in October, to Frederick CURREY
1851: Elizabeth LEDSAM, 2nd daughter of  Jeremiah LEDSAM of West Maitland, married in April to Mr S WALKER.
1874: Thomas Jonathan Innes LEDSAM, youngest son of  Jeremiah LEDSAM of West Maitland, married in Dec to  Sarah BRIDGES
1888: Jeremiah LEDSAM died, Elgin Street,  West Maitland, age 84 (born abt 1804) The registration Index (1889) states father: Thomas

http://shrinkalink.com/63453
Trove articles show Jeremiah was at times an  auctioneer, or a broker/seller of property ) Very pious words accompany the death notices of a couple of his children, (Trove)

http://webjournals.ac.edu.au/journals/adeb/l_/ledsam-jeremiah-d-1888/
Says Jeremiah arrived in Australia 1837 and was a devout Weslyan, aside from an interim period when he appears to have lapsed somewhat. Worked as an Auctioneer, and as a Coach Builder

Jeremiah's daughter Alice R C who died 1845, is buried either  in Oakhampton Methodist Cemetery NSW  or in Glebe Cemetery (FINDAGRAVE) (suspect one is a burial with MI, the other just an MI)

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

John LEDSAM - Entrance book into Gaol, 1858, NSW (Newcastle)
Arrived (in Colony): On Ship Navarino, 1839
Free Settler (on arrival 1839) and Free Settler in Gaol (1858)
Native Place; County Cork
Religion: Protestant:
Occ: Farmer
Admitted: 25 Nov 1858 at Newcastle
Purpose of Admission:  1 month Impt (imprisonment) in default of finding (funding?) suretieds for 12 momths
Disposed of : ----'d  to Tarban CK 10 Dec 1858, having become insane (Tarban Creek Lunatic Asylum, nr Sydney )

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/asylum-records


http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=55
IMMIGRATION:
Ship: LADY McNAUGHTEN arrived 26 Feb 1837
Jeremiah LEDSAM  31 with his family:
Eliza 28
Jane Ann 7
Eliza 5
Thomas 3
William Gusd. 1

Ship NAVERINO arrived 19 Aug 1839:
John LEDSAM age 34, unmarried, Land Steward

and maybe his arrival back in Australia:
Mr J LEDSAM, Ship : Phantom Arrived 14 Apr 1850 into Sydney NSW out of Adelaide

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

1836: Irish Prison Registers:
Jeremiah LEDSAM, Prison:  Cork 1836
Age 34
Offence: Debtor

1839: Bounty Immigrants (family search)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1542665
Ship Orient, 4 April 1839 to NSW
Thomas LEDSAM
his wife: Abigail (GEDIN)
his daughter: Hannah LEDSAM age 16,
and his son in law: Robert COTTERILL 23
and daughter Abigail COTTERILL 22 (dau of Thomas (Theresa sic) LEDASAM and Abigail GEDIN)

http://shrinkalink.com/63454
1890: Abina COTTERILL, relict of Robert COTTERILL, died 30 May, age 76. Third daughter of the late Thomas LEDSAM, NSW.

NSW BDM have the marriage of a Hannah LEDSOM and John SHEHAN, 1842

In 1847  Robt  COTTERILL & family and John LEDSOM sailed from Sydney to Adelaide on the Brig PHANTOM. (Trove)

Cheers
AMBLY

[giddeygirl]

Hi Ambly, that's fantastic, thank you. I am so surprised. I can access Trove easily but I can't work out how to get into the NSW State gov records for Tarban. Is there some trick to getting in? I wonder if Thomas Ledsam, senior, came here to live near Jeremiah and John, if they are his sons. I am so grateful, thank you.

[AMBLY]

Hi there,

It looks to me as ij Jeremiah came out first in 1837, then Thomas in 1839, then John later in 1839.

It also looks as if Thomas took over ther poundkeeping when John resigned (possibly prior to going back to Ireland?*  to marry Martha ( *I guess the place she died at was in Ireland too, and not a named-for place in Australia?)

Also the names of the wife/daughter of Thomas may be incorrect as 'Abigail'. The daughter was Abina at death.

There was a Thomas LEDSOM in Townland Coola Coran, in Fermoy 1850. May be a connection.
http://shrinkalink.com/63456

Not sure if you can access the Tarban records online? Perhaps you have to contact them offline.

Cheers 
AMBLY

[giddeygirl]

Hi Ambly, so you think there are three brothers?

 I was assuming Thomas was the father of John and Jeremiah, Hannah, Alice and Abina.

Thomas Ledsam died in West Maitland, 24 March 1854 " in the 73rd year of his age" according to the Maitland Mercury, Deaths, 28 March 1854.

Plenty to think about for me, indeed. Thanks again.

[AMBLY]

Hi Ambly, so you think there are three brothers?

I was assuming Thomas was the father of John and Jeremiah, Hannah, Alice and Abina.

Hi 

I DO think Thomas (died 1854)  was the father of John & Jeremiah and of Hannah and Abina Jnr (Mrs Cotterill)  and that Thomas is buried with his son, John. But Alice (if you mean Alice R C LEDSAM, was Jeremiah's daughter).

Cheers
AMBLY

[kavern]

Hi all, sorry to jump in here, but I have been doing some research on West Maitland in the early 1800s and came across the name Jeremiah Ledsam listed on a map of the town dated 1835. Jeremiah is recorded as being a 'dealer and coachmaker' who rented a property on High at 17 High Street from one Thomas Cooke. The map can be found online at the national Library of Australia.
  - hope that helps in some way. Regards. ken