John P Jones

[alijet]

Hi,

Sorry for delay in coming back to you, no internet this afternoon. Here goes:-

1871 Census  Piece 5673 Folio 11 Page 14

1881 Census Piece 3668 Folio 66 Page 33

1891 Census Piece 2948 Folio 12 Page 17

1901 Census Piece 3444 Folio148 Page 32

I think he must of died between 1901 & 1911 as in 1911 I found Jesse and her mum in a home for women.

I have seen the BMD's and ruled them out as he always states Denbigh or Denbighshire on the census's. But thank you for that. It had crossed my mind that he as added the P to sound a bit more upmarket. But there are just too many John Jones overall and I'm getting really confused.

I saw the 1864 St Asaph but wasn't sure if this was the local registration district.

I really appreciate you all trying to help me with this.

Regards

Alison

[Gadget]

Hello Again Alison

Have you tried to follow up John's siblings so that you might get mother's maiden name - difficult I know  - but it might  narrow down the search 



Gadget

[despair]

There is a probable marriage of the parents- John Jones and Mary Roberts at St Mary Magdalene Cerrigydrudion in 1865,ref.  CW28/1/96 at www.northwalesbmd.org.uk.

Regards
Roger

[alijet]

Yes I come back to the same parents, so I think I am probably on the right track. It doesn't help though with narrowing down his birth certificate or finding any baptism details. It was recommended yesterday that he would come under Corwen, however having re-looked at the  BMD's they do not have any registrations for that area. The main registration district is St Asaph (hoping it's not that, as there are lots of John Davies).

 

[alijet]

Thank you despair, this looks a strong possibility doesn't it. Certainly gives me the mothers maiden name. Great start for working further back and hopefully if I get his BC it will tie in.

  :DAlison

[alijet]

ps Didn't know about this brilliant. Thank you

Alison

[Gadget]

Hi Alison

My laptop charger and battery went a bit funny yesterday while I was doing some of the searches so I've only just caught up with this.

Yes I come back to the same parents, so I think I am probably on the right track. It doesn't help though with narrowing down his birth certificate or finding any baptism details. It was recommended yesterday that he would come under Corwen, however having re-looked at the  BMD's they do not have any registrations for that area. The main registration district is St Asaph (hoping it's not that, as there are lots of John Davies).

 

I  assume that you mean Jones and not Davies 

Re the registration districts ~ the RD for Cerrigydrudion is definitely Corwen - I gave the ref to the Genuki listing. in my earlier posting.  Also note the code in despair's ref is CW - standing for Corwen.

Registration District of Corwen
This Registration District was initially (1837) co-extensive with the Corwen poor law Union.
It was divided into two sub-districts :

    No. 1 sub-district (Gwyddelwern) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Cerrigydrudion, Llanfihangel Glyn Myfyr and Llangwm ;
        together with the Merionethshire parishes of Betws Gwerfyl Goch, Gwyddelwern, Llandrillo yn Edeirnion and Llangar.

 The only registration (1864-1866) for John Jones in St Asaph RD was in 1864

Registration District of St. Asaph
This Registration District was initially (1837) co-extensive with the St. Asaph poor law Union.
It was divided into three sub-districts :

    No. 1 sub-district (St. Asaph) :
        There were no Denbighshire parishes in this sub-district.
        It comprised the following Flintshire parishes :
        St. Asaph, Rhuddlan, Meliden, Cwm, Bodfari, Tremeirchion, and Dyserth.
    No. 2 sub-district (Abergele) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Abergele, Betws-yn-Rhos, Llanddulas, Llanfair Talhaearn and St. George.
    No. 3 sub-district (Denbigh) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Denbigh, Henllan, Llannefydd and Llansannan.

 There were quite a few in Ruthin:

Registration District of Ruthin
This Registration District was initially (1837) co-extensive with the Ruthin poor law Union.
It was divided into six sub-districts :

    No. 1 sub-district (Llanarmon (yn Iāl)) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Llanarmon yn Iāl, Llandegla and Llanferres.
    No. 2 sub-district (Ruthin) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Efenechtyd, Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd, Llanfwrog, Llanrhydd, Llanychan and Ruthin.
    No. 3 sub-district (Llanelidan) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Derwen, Llanelidan and Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd.
    No. 4 sub-district (Gyffylliog) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Clocaenog, Gyffylliog and Nantglyn.
            The Gyffylliog sub-district was abolished on 1 August 1902.
            Clocaenog moved to the Llanelidan sub-district.
            Gyffylliog moved to the Ruthin sub-district.
            Nantglyn moved to the Llanrhaeadr sub-district.
    No. 5 sub-district (Llanrhaeadr (yng Nghinmeirch)) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Llanrhaeadr yng Nghinmeirch and Llanynys.
    No. 6 sub-district (Llandyrnog) :
        Comprised the Denbighshire parishes of Llandyrnog, Llangwyfan and Llangynhafal; together with the township of Aberchwiler (or Aberwheeler), which was part of the ecclesiastical parish of Bodfari, in Flintshire (although Aberchwiler itself was in Denbighshire).

Gadget

[despair]

I can find the marriage above and the baptism of the brother Thomas in 1867 in Denbigh,as per the 1871 census, on FindMyPast,but I still can't identify John' s baptism at the moment.

Regards
Roger 

[Gadget]

There is one John Peter Jones registration that might be a possible:

 Sept q, 1867, Corwen, 11b 429

Others are all John Joneses and there are quite a few!


Gadget