Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine

[NancyElderPetersen]

Now I see JOSH ELDER has posted this Charles ELDER in his Ancestry.com TREE
with the same census references and children. No parents.
Marriage in Dundalk, the county town and administrative capital of County Louth.

Charles Elder Family Tree
   •   Birth:  Abt 1856
   •   Marriage:  Sep 1888 - Dundalk, Ireland
   •   Spouse:  Elizabeth O'Hare
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Also listed:
Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name:
Charles Elder
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration district:
Dundalk
Volume:
2
Page Number:
627
FHL Film Number:
101255
Records on Page:
Name
Bridget Byrne
Elizabeth O'Hare
Daniel M'Ginness
Daniel M'Ginness
Mary Boyle
Thomas Rooney
Daniel M'Guinness
Charles Elder
Source Information Ancestry.com.
 Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

[NancyElderPetersen]

TO BELFAST GAIL,
I sent your info about momentos and possible connection to Rev. James ELDER of Finvoy to:
"Mary McCAULEY POST" E-mail:  ^(*)
She lives in State of Oregon, USA, near me.
She is a relative of Rev. James ELDER of Finvoy, has visited Ballymoney area several times,
writes to me today:
  >"Can you send GAIL my email address and ask her to email me?"
Hope this works!

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[aghadowey]

DNA testing is all well and good for certain things but sometimes it's hard to beat proper, old-fashioned research.

Now I see JOSH ELDER has posted this Charles ELDER in his Ancestry.com TREE
with the same census references and children. No parents.
Marriage in Dundalk, the county town and administrative capital of County Louth.

Perhaps that person already has more detail or has simply not put it on their online tree but it sounds as though they haven't even gotten the marriage certificate to get father's name and occupation, etc.

In any case, as they are Catholics and From County Louth there's unlikely to be a close connection to Adelaide Finlay Elder, the subject of this topic.

[NancyElderPetersen]

Re: Charles ELDER of County Louth and Belfast:
In the old days of paper family history assumptions, we might dismiss the Catholic designation and County Louth family location as non-relatives, but
now we know that this Charles Elder carries the paternal Y-DNA,
same as the descendant matching my brother's Y-DNA kit #10042.
We also know that Ballymoney and Belfast both have matching
DNA locations for my brother, so I might speculate that Charles' family
came from Scotland, married into a Catholic family.
 ---Nancy Elder Petersen, Volunteer Host, ELDER DNA project of Houston, Texas
Links and results:
 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

[aghadowey]

Re-read my previous post and see that I somehow omitted the word close which I've now added in red.

I've been researching enough years to know that intermarriages between Protestant and Catholics did happen and that people did move around the country, overseas, etc. but If there is indeed a connection with Charles Elder of Co. Louth and Elders of Ballymoney area the logical thing to do would be to trace back Charles' family.

[NancyElderPetersen]

Researching ELDER families in Scotland, posting notes on my Rootsweb
pages for most counties:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Perth.htm

Includes an early CHARLES ELDER name found in this family by A. A. HUGHES:
   "THOMAS ELDER 1737-1799, Lord Provost of Edinburgh and Postmaster General of Scotland, former wine merchant who married Elizabeth Man. They had one son WILLIAM ELDER and their eldest of 4 daughters, Isabella, married the Principal of Edinburgh University, George Husband Baird 1761-1840.
This line begins with William Elder Engineer in 17th century,
then Alexander Elder of Forres near Inverness,
his son William Elder of Loaning near Pitlochry
(ca 1710 to 1780 at least), father of Thomas above and of Charles 1749-1823.
Charles was in the Royal Navy and taken prisoner by the Americans in 1777 for 13 months with an address at Rhode Island.
Later appointed to Lord Howe's flagship *The Eagle* and in
action against the French off Rhode Island in 1778."

Forneth: Parish of Clunie, Perthshire,
near Blairgowrie:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/Clunie

[aghadowey]

As I said earlier=

DNA testing is all well and good for certain things but sometimes it's hard to beat proper, old-fashioned research.

[NancyElderPetersen]

ARGYLL has early ELDER names as well
My notes posted
 at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Argyll.htm

1841 ARGYLL Census - Ancestry.com

Name:   Charles Elder
Age:  75
Estimated birth year: abt 1766
Gender:  Male
Where born:  Argyll, Scotland
Civil parish:  Campbeltown
County:  Argyll
Address:  Castle Hill
Parish Number:  507
ED:  6
Page:  7
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Household:
Charles Elder    abt 1766  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
Agnes Kerr  abt 1791  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
Elizabeth Kerr  abt 1826  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
Isabella Kerr  abt 1838  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
James Kerr  abt 1791  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
John Kerr  abt 1821  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
Lillias Kerr  abt 1821  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll
Robert Kerr  abt 1831  Argyll, Scotland  Campbeltown  Argyll

***

1851 Census ARGYLL -- Ancestry.com
Ann Elder    James    abt 1815   Tarbert, Argyle   Wife   Kilcalmonell   Argyll
Ann Elder    James    abt 1817  Tarbert, Argyle  Wife  Kilcalmonell and Kilberry  Argyll
James Elder Ann abt 1807 Campbelto, Argyle  Head  Kilcalmonell  Argyll
James Elder  Ann  abt 1807  Campbeth, Argyle  Head  Kilcalmonell and Kilberry  Argyll
Thomas Elder  abt 1777  Balquhidder, Perthshire  Head  Kilchoman  Argyll

[LindeL]

thanks to Gail for reply; yes, I had the outline of his career, but it was useful to have the dates confirmed;; I think he must be related to other Elder ministers, the Finvoy one in particular, also born near Garvagh one or two? generations later. We'll keep looking!

Linde