Roberts Family of Fachwen and Llandeiniolen

[DCB]

Sorry about the link, I had the dash joined up to it - http://isys.llgc.org.uk/isysquery/irl72d/2/doc#hit1

It worked by copying and pasting, if not directly.

David

[despair]

I may  have found the will of Robert J E Roberts(1721-1796)
Search at NLW for Robert Jones,Township Llanfaglan(1795)
He is given as "otherwise Robert John Evan" and the address is Ty Eiddaw(Ty Eiddew on current maps).
He names his wife Jane Jones,and children(as Roberts)sons John,Robert,William and daughters Grace(as a sister to one of the sons),and Jane(who doesn't appear identified in the previous list).I assume she is not THE Jane Roberts(?),perhaps the previous generation(?).
Looking at the 1841 census for Ty Eiddaw(ref 1394  12/6  6) there is a Bryn Glas on the next page(though no doubt there are others in Caernarvonshire)

Regards
Roger
(later addition-apologies to Huwcyn who identified the address earlier-I had been looking for a Robert Roberts.)

[welshpride]

I sure hope Jane is descended in some way from Robert John Evan Roberts because if she is, I will have plenty of information to add to the tree.  Funny that there is a Jane mentioned as a child of Robert J E Roberts in the will, as that I believe would make her an aunt to Foulk Roberts.  Jane Roberts being an aunt to Foulk was mentioned once in the biography we have here in the U.S., however that has been refutted several times and corrected to cousin.  One more mystery.

[welshpride]

For the record Roger, the most complete tree that I can find has the following children of Robert John Evan Roberts and Jane Jones:

Elizabeth (deceased at 18 - which would be one reason she was not in the will)
Grace
Robert
William (deceased at 10 - same as Elizabeth as for the will)
Ann
Elizabeth
Ellin
John
William
...and apparently Jane, unless Grace, Ann, Elizabeth or Ellin went by Jane as a name

You are correct, this Jane could not be mine as there is now way she would've been born in 1786, which would been 19 years after the last listed known child of Robert John Evan Roberts.

[welshpride]

I tried to view the will you mentioned but it came back "unable to authenticate request."

[despair]

Yes,I had the same problem,but it looks like it is fixed now.
At last,I have a record that might make sense of it all:-

1772 baptism of William Robert to John Robert of Ty Eiddaw and Margaret his wife
(there is also a 1772 marriage of John Robert(s) t0 Margaret Jones in Llanfaglan)
Clearly this John Roberts was not born/baptised in 1765.
Given the marriage date,an estimate of !740-1750 is reasonable and this makes John Roberts and Margaret Roberts of Ty Newydd dying in their eighties in the 1820s,prime candidates.
If you can view the originals of the 1841 census you will also see that there is a Ty Newydd "next door but one" to Bryn Glas.
The only piece missing as far as I can see is a baptism record to match John's birth.Typically,I can find every other of the Robert J E Roberts children approximately as per the list,with a few minor modifications,and the odd other incidental surprise(an illegitimate child to Grace).Most are recorded as Jones,but a couple under Roberts.The Ty Eiddew address is first seen in  the baptism of William(1767) to Robert J E Roberts and Jane.

Regards
Roger

Regards

[Huwcyn]

I wonder if it might be worthwhile looking at the Llanwnda registers, particularly for the marriage of the suspected parents of Jane Roberts. Is there a suggestion here of two Roberts families ( Those of brothers Robert and John?) living at Ty Eiddew ? 

[despair]

My reading was that Robert and John at Ty Eiddew are father and son with the father having a last child William in 1767,and the son having a first child William in 1772 before moving to Bryn Glas before the birth of Robert in 1775.
However,I will see what I can find in Llanwnda.
As an aside for the moment,I think this Robert Roberts may be seen at a properety called Blaen y Cae,Llanwnda in 1851!

Regards
Roger

[DCB]

This link has a record for Robert Roberts of Tynewydd, Llanfaglan.

http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/search.php

Search on Roberts and Llanfaglan

He has children, Jane, Ellin and Hugh

David