where did she come from

[Gadget]

Hi

An outside possible:

Elizabeth Jones, Catherine's sister, married Thomas Curtis in Pontypridd, March q, 1916. I've found the death of an Elizabeth Curtis, Bridgend, March q, 1970. Her birthdate is given as October 1889

1901 RG13/5065/37/9
Banwen,  Caegurwen, Llangiwg, Glamorgan  (a way from Pontypridd but possible)

John Jones, 35, Colliery Horse Driver, b. Pumpsaint, Carmarthenshire
Lizzie, w, 32, b. Ystalyfera, Glamorgan
Polly, d, 15, housemaid, b. Pumpsaint
Bessie, d, 13, b. do
Annie, d, 12, b. do
Jane, d, 11, b. do
Rosy H, d, 4, b. Brynamman, Glamorgan
Lydia, d, 2, b. do
Catherine L, d, 1, b. do
David Morgans, boarder, 23, colliery horse driver, b. do

Bessie is a diminutive of Elizabeth

This info also fits with later info:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWXN-BVL

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWXN-BVT


It might be worth following them on the 1911.  Unfortunately, we can't give full information from that census, only info from free index.


Gadget

[MargP]

Hi

1901 census all born in Llanddeiniolen Caernvonshire except for Elizabeth

John Thomas Jones b 1872   occ Slate Quarry man
Elizabeth b 1873  Llanrhyddlad Anglesey
Lizzie b 1895
Catherine b 1899
Thomas b 1901

I know that this is out on the DOB for Lizzie on the DC, but this information is only as good as the informants knowledge

Margp

[Gadget]

Hi

1901 census all born in Llanddeiniolen Caernvonshire except for Elizabeth

John Thomas Jones b 1872   occ Slate Quarry man
Elizabeth b 1873  Llanrhyddlad Anglesey
Lizzie b 1895
Catherine b 1899
Thomas b 1901

I know that this is out on the DOB for Lizzie on the DC, but this information is only as good as the informants knowledge

Margp

Seems an awfully long way from Glamorgan, Marg. Also John was a colliery worker. It doesn't seem at all right to me.

PS - you've not given the address or Ref number !  Ref - RG13/5271/62/14

[MargP]

Hi Gadget

Patricia is not sure where they are from, she did mention Cardigan, as there is nothing in the Glamorgan  area, I though I would widen my search,  I would have thought there is not a lot of difference in mining slate and mining coal, and in those time they went where the work was.

Margp

Sorry about the ref for the census that's why you have 8 star and I only have 6 

[Gadget]

Hi Marg

Still think it's a long way -the family that I found were in Glamorgan:

Hi

An outside possible:

Elizabeth Jones, Catherine's sister, married Thomas Curtis in Pontypridd, March q, 1916. I've found the death of an Elizabeth Curtis, Bridgend, March q, 1970. Her birthdate is given as October 1889

1901 RG13/5065/37/9
Banwen,  Caegurwen, Llangiwg, Glamorgan  (a way from Pontypridd but possible)

John Jones, 35, Colliery Horse Driver, b. Pumpsaint, Carmarthenshire
Lizzie, w, 32, b. Ystalyfera, Glamorgan
Polly, d, 15, housemaid, b. Pumpsaint
Bessie, d, 13, b. do
Annie, d, 12, b. do
Jane, d, 11, b. do
Rosy H, d, 4, b. Brynamman, Glamorgan
Lydia, d, 2, b. do
Catherine L, d, 1, b. do
David Morgans, boarder, 23, colliery horse driver, b. do

Bessie is a diminutive of Elizabeth

This info also fits with later info:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWXN-BVL

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWXN-BVT


It might be worth following them on the 1911.  Unfortunately, we can't give full information from that census, only info from free index.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Did you find any of them on the 1911 free index, Marg?

[MargP]

Hi Gadget

I can't see any of them on the 1911 census, Jones is as bad as my lot, Jenkins

Marg

[Gadget]

That's why I asked, Marg. I can't find them anywhere  - and I've looked on and off all afternoon (in between ironing!)  I've not tried emigration or deaths but it seems strange that neither of us can get a positive hit on them 

I'd like to ask Patricia about Thomas - was this just from the marriage cert - in which case it was most likely Lizzie's husband - or was it from family info?  There was a Thomas on the free 1911 index which I gave a link to, but it could be a red herring.

I've got Jones, Roberts, Hughes, Griffiths, Evans, ..................  all North/Mid Wales, none in the South 


Gadget

[brian1944]

Thank You MargP
That is the correct family my hubby always said he believed that she came from somewhere very welshy because she and her siblings spoke fluent welsh and hubbys father could speak some welsh but under stood if anyone spoke it i cannot thank you enough we have been looking for this for a long time you people must be very clever i do not speak welsh but Diolch yn Fawr which i think means thank you in welsh
LOL Patricia