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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 16 June 13 11:07 BST (UK) »
No, Neil you are not reading it wrong  :) 

I can find an Albert SANDER at North Sydney in 1915, and I wonder if the use of that name provided him with some 'Anglo' protection, as his wife was obviously born and bred in Australia....

Of course, my explanation is SPECULATION and I am often w r o n g  when I venture down that path. 

Perhaps during WWI he was crew on shipping ...


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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 16 June 13 11:23 BST (UK) »
Wrong; I thought that was my forte :o

Holsworthy was as far as I know the main camp in NSW, but there were others. My mother was horrified to find out that her father, born here was to be interned, but the locals kicked up such a fuss that they left him be. That didn't stop someone shooting up the place in 1915 though, nearly killed my mum as all the bullets went through her bedroom in the front of the house.

Maybe his name did save him, but as a non-british with german parents that had served in the German army he would have stood out to the military secret police.

I didn't know that many outside of japanese, german and italians were interned. Just found out that British passport holders here with wrong backgrounds IE Karl, could and were locked up, then let out daily to go to work :o

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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 16 June 13 11:38 BST (UK) »
Neil,  I didn't know that either ....  so, it was OK to be sent outside of the barbed wire to work, but to go to sleep you had to be inside the barbed wire ....  that simply doesn't make much sense to me ...  mind you I thought the main internment camp was at Berrima ....  I thought Liverpool was for Enlisting not for Interning.  :)

Oh well, I will have to figure out how to ask my older rellies if they heard any tales from their older cousins re WWI internment camps.   

I do know that it would be very unlikely for Japanese to be interned in Australia in WWI, afterall, the Japanese were British Allies during that war....  :) 

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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #30 on: Monday 17 June 13 06:20 BST (UK) »
Hi all.
I am amazed how much I have learned about this family.
The research is for a close friend and Carl Albert SANDER is his grandfather. He is travelling around Australia at the moment and will be amazed at how much you have discovered for his family.
I believe Holsworthy was mentioned as the internment place.
On the shipping item was he on the crew or have i got that wrong?
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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #31 on: Monday 17 June 13 07:15 BST (UK) »
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1898/10/069pri.htm

I just looked through the list of Passengers and crew of the ship on it's arrival at New South Wales and he is NOT on it :o

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So..... ???
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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #32 on: Monday 17 June 13 07:30 BST (UK) »
Now this is interesting :o

Wlihelm Carl Albert SANDER Married Ottilie Ida SEMMLER in 1903 at  Angaston South Australia 
The REF# is 216/906

Seems she didn't die in SA prior to his leaving (IE If It's Him) She didn't die in Qld either prior to his marriage. ???

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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #33 on: Monday 17 June 13 12:19 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Neil Todd on Monday 17 June 13 07:15 BST (UK)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1898/10/069pri.htm

I just looked through the list of Passengers and crew of the ship on it's arrival at New South Wales and he is NOT on it :o

Neil

So..... ???

So the ship arrived firstly at Fremantle .... perhaps he alighted at a port before Sydney  :)  Afterall he did say he landed on eight hour day 1898 and on that day Trove shows that the ship was in Fremantle  :)

See my earlier reply (#26)

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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 18 June 13 06:47 BST (UK) »
Hi all
I had a look at 1897 year on passenger list for the same steamer and same month, there is an Albert SANDER age 25 in the crew which tallies with the year he was born. Do you think there may have been a misprint fo the year.
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Re: Unassisted passenger lists 1826-1922 Sydney
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 18 June 13 07:08 BST (UK) »
Quote from: majm on Sunday 16 June 13 09:40 BST (UK)
He was interned  :-[

He arrived in Australia on the Prince Regent, embarked at Luitpeld  He arrived 8 hour day 1898 (October???, not sure about that month)  he had served in the 1st Regiment of Prussian Guards in 1893.   Yes, Merlin has correct parents  :)  Karl Wilhelm SANDER and Henriette PETRE.... 

The above comes from his digitised papers at the NAA  :)

I HAVE MODIFIED TO CORRECT MY ERROR RE SHIP'S NAME and to add further info

The ship was the PRINZ REGENT LUITPOLD .... arriving Sydney 14 Oct 1898,
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/88152407   
departed London at 6:40 am on 30 August 1898
actually departed Bremen 24 August 1898
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71318571

Apologies for my mis-reading,  there's some of the crew/passenger list for that voyage at the following link:
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/


Cheers,  JM

Unless he signed on as crew when they returned no. This from JM above gives his arrival.


MODIFIED should have read your post again you are saying he was crew on that ship the year prior.

So sorry :-[ :-[ :-[

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