Information appreciated for Fox/Shelly & Shelly/Whitty families

[allesond]

See my head said Abbey lay:)

Off to bed at midnight on this side of the world. Thanks, again.

[taramcdsmall]

I wanted to make a little point re Nicholas.

I know things were hard for Alice but this was AFTER her father's death.

Nicholas lived and worked in Dublin at a time when you were arrested at the drop of a hat YET Nicholas has no prison records.

Usually in cases like his there would be records for abandoning children or failure to pay institution fees YET there is nothing.

 Also, the family don't appear in the workhouse which held the free hospital.

. . . Any deaths were in fee paying hospitals.

. . . Also, he and his wife and family are all buried together, not in a paupers grave.

 So, my point is that he sounds like a hard working man, kept his nose clean, and while not wealthy by any stretch, was not destitute either.

He did the best by his family despite his wife dying so young.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Alleson

Well I've got another few goodies for you to go through on FindMyPast!

I reckon you're getting your money's worth on there, hope you feel the same 

Anyway, if you look up a Thomas Shelly b 1850 record is for 1890 in the Dublin Workhouse.

He is a single labourer.

WELL his address in 1890 is 17 GLOUCESTER PLACE

This is the same address that Annie Smith was buried from in 1895 !

So, now I am pretty sure that this Thomas is the son of Thomas Shelly and Margaret Dowling.

So, this then leads me onto two other records, ages are out but I'm pretty sure it's the same family.

so, 1867 & 1868 a Margaret Shelly with children Thomas Shelly and Annie Shelly were taken into the workhouse.

Margaret is listed as a married servant living at Bull Alley.

Look at the records anyway.

Remember 1867 was when Margaret Junior got into a spot of trouble.

This would account for it, the family appear to have been struggling.

Annie was kept with her Mum but it says Thomas Junior was sent to Thurles (he obvs came back)

So, in 1869 a 60 year old Thomas Shelly is buried in Glasnevin, last address Jane Place.

No guarantees that it's your ancestor but would be worth a gamble when you next have a few bob to spare 

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

My maths are out on Margaret Juniors prison record there.

Hum review with caution 

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

There is a Margaret Shelly b 1858 prison record 1881.

POB Tighe Street, which wouldn't tie in with your Margaret but POB's are often wrong.

The reason why I think it's worth following up on is that there was a Thomas Shelly at the same address a few years later, a widower, carman.

Again, not sure if it's the same family but worth having a poke about to see if they could tie in.

BTW Did you never get the marriage cert for Margaret & Nicholas ?

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

OH

I just remember.

WAY BACK Dathai got you the marriage cert for Nicholas & Margaret.

Thomas Shelly was listed as a carpenter.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Re Alice and Adam

Have you tried following up on this couple ?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMGN-58C

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Alleson BTW don't discount the 1916 Canadian Census.

Emmigration years are often wrong, as are ages etc.

The children MIGHT have been his from a prior marriage.

Also, re his parent's names on marriage, they are often wrong due to a LOT of reasons.

Adam could have deliberately given wrong names, he could have been misheard, the clerk may have gotten it wrong.

So, go by his age on his military records and route around for him using a 5 year age variable.

BTW Was there any occupation for him on his military records ?

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

HUM

I just saw the 1904 ship record

GRRR Blows my theory to pieces.

Adam / Alice / Canada ~ you'd swear it had to be them !

Tara