John GREENOUGH 1848ish Upton

[Vicwinann]

Hello,
Can anyone help me find the origins of John William Greenough, please. I have him back to 1881,  but then I can find no reference of him backwards from there..

In the censuses from 1881-1911 he says he was born in Upton Berks in circa 1848-1851.
I suspect that he may be illeg (or the product of a first marriage), and therefore in the 51/61/71 censuses under another (stepfather's)  name. I cannot find his marriage to a Jane born 1848 North Stoke, Oxon, either.
Greenough is a surname that often gets mistranscribed but I have used up all the variations that I can think of and I don't have parish registers for Upton.
Thanks
Vicwinann

[keyboard86]

Hi I think the marriage was:-

John William GREENETH to Jane Pryor Dec qtr 1869 Wallingford 2c 741

Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, and in 1871 I think he could be the William GRINNITH aged 22 wife Jane aged 22
Residing at Common, Upper, Bucklebury
Census Ref RG10/1275/44/30

Keyboard86

[Vicwinann]

Hello Keyboard,
That looks very promising. I had seen Jane Pryor/Prior in 1851 and noted that she was about the right age and birthplace.
John was certainly John William and his and Jane's first child was born in Bucklebury, so I will look up those references and see where they take me.
This surname is something of a pain in the 19th century. It is my first cousin's.  Thanks for helping.
Vicwinann

[ribbo39]

Hello Vicwinann,

I think this may be the person your after;

Blewbury St.Michael;
Baptism;
6-4-1849 John William GRINOUF s/o Henry & Eliza of Upton, Labourer.

There are numerous families with similar sounding surnames in Blewbury and Upton and the transcripts for Upton says that "From 1736 to 1860 the register entries were probably incorporated with those of Blewbury of which Upton was a Chapelry."

Also assuming the above is the correct J W Grinouf then there is this marriage;

Blewbury St.Michael;

11-4-1846 Henry GRINOUF (x) fa, bach, labr, of Upton father John Grinouf, labr
                Eliza Ann BUTLER (x) m, sp,          "     "        "     Robert Butler, labr
Wits; William Grinouf (x), Frances Cummings  By Banns.  Minister J.Macdonald

Taken from the transcripts from the OxonFHS with their permission

Hope this helps.

Alan

[keyboard86]

Hi Alan, that last post of yours has answered a lot re census returns, in both 1851 and 1861 John William was called just William, parents Henry and Eliza, in 1851 surname GREENOF and 1861 Greenough HO107/1689/574/25 and RG09/738/27/20

Keyboard86

[ribbo39]

Hi Keyboard86,

I hope they are the correct people.  I've been looking for Henry's birth and his parents marriage but so far drawn a blank.

Have to wait for Vicwinann to come back on line.

Alan

[Vicwinann]

Hello Ribbo and Keyboard,
Well, Well, Well. I already had him, but he was called William in the 1851 and 1861 census, as you said, Keyboard. Like a fool, I had not thought that he would have used his second name up until 1871.  John William's mother was Eliza Ann Butler, yes, from a family which weaves in and out of the Greenoughs.
Henry Greenough's parents were John Greenough 1796-1855 and Elizabeth Prior 1802-1888 I was told by a Greenough researcher a long time ago. Henry was the eldest b abt 1822 and had 9 siblings that I have followed. In 1841 Henry is with George and Elizabeth Butler and son? Isaac Butler. After his father's death, his mother married again.
I don't have a marriage for John and Elizabeth Greenough or a baptism for Henry, so at the moment I have taken what I have been told and what is on the Upton village site, as nothing seems to contradict it. 
If you can find a baptism for Henry that will also help me tidy that part of my cousin's tree for her.
Thank you so much for looking this up and for your help.
Vicwinann

[ribbo39]

Hello Vicwinann,

Do these entries help taken from the Blewbury transcripts (ex Oxon FHS);
Marriage;
19-7-1823 John GRINNIFF of Upton   to
                Elizabeth PRIOR "    "
by Banns. Wits; Joseph Grace, Martha Grace

Baptisms;
12-6-1796 John GREENOUGH of Upton. s/o John & Lucy (born. 12-5-1796)

11-3-1804 Elizabeth PRIOR of Upton. d/o William & Frances (born 15-2-1804)

Have not had any success  in finding Henry's baptism

Can give more if you wish to continue.

Alan