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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:47 BST (UK) »
Michael Moore said that he was 22 years old when Cornelius was born, and that he had been born in Campbells Creek, Castlemaine, Victoria. Just found a birth registration in 1857, and a family tree that says he died on 9 Jun 1928 at Yarram in Victoria, but I haven't found a death registration.
I've just found a death registration but it isn't under Moore, it is under Sweeney, and has the wrong mother's name (Michael Moore's mother's name was Mary Ryan, and his father was Cornelius Moore.)

Sometimes you just need the right resources...

Death:
MOORE Michael Joseph age 71yrs d. 1928 YARRAM 8243
Father Cornelius MOORE
Mother Mary  RYAN

Birth:
MOORE Michael b. 1857 CASTLEMAINE 7256
Father Cornelius
Mother Mary RYAN

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:57 BST (UK) »
Luv you Merlin,

How do I prove that is my Michael MOORE. I've seen the other trees with his middle name as joseph, but have not proved it.

Please help me.
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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:07 BST (UK) »
iWhat is on the dc?  status ... marriage/s ... children
Who has a copy?
any probate/will at PROV?

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:15 BST (UK) »
E Roll
1924
MOORE, Michael Joseph, Devon. Labourer.

There are a number of MOOREs in the area including

MOORE Cornelius, Jack River, Labourer.

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« Reply #40 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:19 BST (UK) »
The CORNELIUS mentioned on the E roll above seems to be a brother of MICAHEL.

Death
MOORE Cornelius
Father Moore Cornelius
Mother Mary  RYAN
Death Place YARRAM
Age 74
Year  1928
Reg   4061

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:26 BST (UK) »
Ted, one of the tree owners states they have his death certificate which supposedly confirms his relationship with Margaret.

http://www.mundia.com/au/Person/9564677/1001196979
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« Reply #42 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:33 BST (UK) »
Or this site has something which might be it   $1.00 ;D

You can get lucky with Dawn!

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 21 July 13 09:16 BST (UK) »
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I have to ask "how do you know Ada was illigitimate?"

Firstly any birth without a father's name listed, or where the father was not married to the mother, was regarded as illegitimate.

Secondly it states illegitimate twice on Ada's birth registration.

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Maybe as Debra suggests - MM (Margaret Mary) was not the marrying type.

I don't believe for one minute that it is that simple. You have 4 children who were born legitimately to Michael Moore and Margaret according to their birth registrations. Then after this relationship broke down you have 2 children who were born illegitimately to Sydney Woodland. For all the births that were registered (4 legitimate, and Ada) a date and place for the marriage to Michael Moore was given.

There also has to be a reason why Margaret did not marry Sydney Woodland (though she took his surname and pretended that she was married to him). The impediment to a marriage to Sydney was still being married to Michael Moore.

There was no reason for Margaret not to have been married to Michael, both Margaret and Michael independantly state the same date and place for this marriage to have occured, this marriage stopped Margaret from marrying Sydney, and there was no reason for Margaret to mention a marriage to Michael when she registered Ada's birth, if anything there was every reason not to mention it.

Just as every birth was regisered (and in this case the example is the birth of Syney Jnr), and just as every death was not registered (and there are many many of these - just compare the cemetery index to the death index), not every marriage was registered. Not many marriages would have missed being regisatered by 1879, but it still did happen. All it took was for the minister to forget to sent in the paperwork.

Thinking aloud. It is possible that Michael & Margaret had a home wedding. The paperwork for a home wedding would be more likely to be forgotten to be sent in by minister than one performed in his church. (They did forget to sometimes send in paperwork for church weddings too though.)


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« Reply #44 on: Sunday 21 July 13 09:23 BST (UK) »
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Cando - I am not familiar with the Sands and MacDougal directory - was Margaret the landowner?

I describe the Sands and MacDougall directories similar to our white and yellow pages without the telephone numbers.   The early ones are excellent resources for tracking persons in Melbourne and surrounding areas.     Margaret was the occupier of 36 O'Grady Street, Clifton Hill.  I guess it is possible she owned the property but that could only be confirmed by a search of the title at the Titles Office or what ever it is known by today. Have a look on google streetview.  Would be the same house today :)

Merlin and I possibly have the same 1903 Vic roll.  It is possible to search by address.

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