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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 21 July 13 05:19 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I've just got home from Cub camp - how can 50 little kids eat 5kg of bacon and 5 dozen eggs, 4kg of baked beans and 10 loaves of bread. I'm feeling very tired but rather proud that the camp committee personally came to thank me for springcleaing the kitchen (I wasnt going to cook in there otherwise).

Anyway back now and I have to take in all the fabulous work you guys have been doing on mybehalf. I am gob smacked.

Going to take a shower (I stink of bacon and the cat is going nuts) and I will then answer all your questions.

Thank you  sososososososososo much.

Oh and as the Cubs would say WOLF! (imagine me stamping my foot at the end of that wolf)

Luv Ted (Oh a big loud Wolf is the best way a Cub can thank you for your good work)



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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 21 July 13 05:57 BST (UK) »
I was hoping marriage certificates would help me find her mother Mary Corbet nee Walsh.

Ted, without going back through all the CORBETT threads, do you have Mary CORBETT nee WALSH's death cert? 

1917

Mary CORBETT
Died C(lifton) Hill, Victoria
Age:    80
Father: Rich. WALSH
Mother: Margt. DESMOND
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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 21 July 13 06:14 BST (UK) »
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I may well be incorrect and that's nothing new however I always understood that the R suffix to the registration number indicated there were two registrations ie the registration was repeated with the same registration number as there was either conflicting information or the details were not clear.  Another reason springs to mind....if the couple marry after the birth is registered and if the father wishes to have his name noted on the birth as such. When researching in Vic I have also found births registered years after the event and the letter R as a suffix.  I do have some literature 'somewhere'.

I have to agree. I have copies of VIC birth registrations that have an R on the index but absolutely no revisions on the certificate. They instead are registrations of illegitimate births and have at least 2 inclusions of the registration on the index under at least 2 different surnames (I have never seen one with more than 2 surnames, but you never know). When you order the certificate from BDM VIC the R is not used. If you try to use the R when you order the certificate you will get an error. The R exists only on the index.

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It begs the questions ;D

What was the impediment to the first marriage?

If there was no first marriage

What was the impediment to the second marriage?

Sue

I agree Sue. It also begs the question of why would Margaret make up a marriage for the registration of the birth of a baby to another man?

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Mind you,  as far as I am aware, at least in NSW, there was no requirement for anyone to "prove" they were a married couple when registering a birth (I guess regulations in VIC in 19thC would be similar) ....   

I don't know how someone would have proved whether they were married on not, but the question was definately asked of the informant when they appeared to register the birth in VIC. The registrar was looking for the mother to be married to the father, and not to someone else, otherwise they often wrote the word "illegitimate" on the document. Perhaps people were sometimes too honest and didn't think to lie about their marital status? You would think that if Margaret was going to make up a marriage for this registration it would have been a marriage to Sydney Woodland, and not one to Michael Moore.

BTW I have just looked at Cornelius's birth registration - it says that the marriage to Michael Moore was on the 8th January 1879 (as on Ada's registration) but this time that the marriage was at Cranbourne. This just confirms that Sherwood was next to Cranbourne and would form part of Cranbourne today. Margaret was 17 years old (she had just tuned 17 when Cornelius was born, and it still says that she was born at Sherwood. The informant was the father Michael. Again the registration says "after declaration made by law as required, with a date of registration of 8 May 1880, and a date of birth 17 January 1880, which just confirms what others have been saying about this meaning that the birth was registered late.

Unfortunately just because a marriage does not appear in the registrations does not mean that it did not occur, just that the minister forgot to forward the details. The only way to find the original record of the marriage is in the parish register of the church in which the marriage occured. Bummer not knowing what was the denomination.

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 21 July 13 06:17 BST (UK) »
Oh Ted, I don't know if you need this information of not, but Michael Moore said that he was 22 years old when Cornelius was born, and that he had been born in Campbells Creek, Castlemaine, Victoria.

Just found a birth registration in 1857, and a family tree that says he died on 9 Jun 1928 at Yarram in Victoria, but I haven't found a death registration.


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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 21 July 13 06:31 BST (UK) »
I've just found a death registration but it isn't under Moore, it is under Sweeney, and has the wrong mother's name (Michael Moore's mother's name was Mary Ryan, and his father was Cornelius Moore.)
Michael Sweeney d age 70 Yarram in Victoria
Son of Cornelius Sweeney & Elizth Odonohue
ref: 8239 - 1928 Victoria

Wouldn't the above death registration be for someone else, and not for Michael Moore?

Later addition to post:
SWEENEY. -On the 13th May, at his residence, Michael Sweeney.  Beloved by all.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3936736
Not 9 June either.

YARRAM.
The burial of Mr. Michael Sweeney....see this article for more
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3951557
This is not the right man.

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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 21 July 13 06:50 BST (UK) »
Gentle reminder  re RChat policy re copyright issues and

Does your copy give further info  ... children of marriage etc



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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:02 BST (UK) »
I was hoping marriage certificates would help me find her mother Mary Corbet nee Walsh.

Ted, without going back through all the CORBETT threads, do you have Mary CORBETT nee WALSH's death cert? 

1917

Mary CORBETT
Died C(lifton) Hill, Victoria
Age:    80
Father: Rich. WALSH
Mother: Margt. DESMOND
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Debra  :)
Answering the simple one first (thats the post Debra not the poster) - yes I do have Mary (nee Walsh) CORBETT's death cert
 
It doesn't help me much other than her place of death which is 36 O'Grady Street
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Re: Help to find a marriage please?
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:05 BST (UK) »
:)

I thought that Mary Corbett was Margaret Mary's mum  :) so the cutting was suggesting to me that Michael Moore's Mother in law (either formally or at least informally) was prosecuting him....

Cheers,  JM

MJ you are correct - Mary (nee Walsh) CORBETT and Richard CORBETT are Margaret Mary's parents
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« Reply #35 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:23 BST (UK) »
2 pages of notes: Here it is -and I thank everyone for all your hard work

Deb - thanks for the WA link and the Boer war records. So he wasn't married and lived at 36 O'Grady gives me a lot to think about.

Merlin - Not sure who Henry Brown was - but the rest make sense - thank you so much. I am still trying to figure out how you found people living in the same house in 1903 that had different surnames.

Keinname, thank you for your imput. Maybe as Debra suggests - MM (Margaret Mary) was not the marrying type. Cranbourne was the back blocks of Victoria back then. I should know I lived there until 1983.

I have to ask "how do you know Ada was illigitamate?"

Langmaine = Langwarrin - I should know it's my home town

Sherwood was a parish of Cranbourne - most of Richard CORBETTS land was in the parish of Sherwood - my father is in a nursing home there right now.

MJ- all the Vic BMD's I have that have an R added to the index are because something has been changed, or added in the margin.

winenhoe - you post is very important as it places them both in the same place at the same town. Thankyou

Cando - Thank you - one of my pet hates is when place names are spelt wrong Gisborne - Gisbourne. Cranbourne - Cranborne.

Cando - I am not familiar with the Sands and MacDougal directory - was Margaret the landowner?

To all who are interested - Richard CORBETT'S property extended all the way from Cranbourne to Blind Bight on the coast of Western Port. So when I see Somerville mentioned it makes sense.

JM - I'm sending you some panadol - so sorry for causing you a headache

I feel blessed, thank you everyone for helping me. Lots of luv and blessings, Ted
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