Vance Family

[Lauraod]

Hi,

My name is Laura and I have been trying to do some family research for my mam and her siblings and wonder if anyone could be of any help to me.

Their mother Johanna Byrne (formely vance) never spoke much about her childhood and they know nothing about their grandfather, her father, William Vance.

Having visited the Archives in Dublin I obtained a marriage cert for Johanna Vances parents, Annie Doyle and William Vance.  They married on the 15th of Jan 1921 in Dublin.  Johanna was then born on the 16th of June 1921.
They lived at 16 Fr. Matthew Square Dublin 7.  On the marriage cert Williams father was down as Thomas Vance and his occupation was Chair Maker, after some research on our 1901 census it has linked me to this Thomas Vance http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Craigmore_Street/975214/
This Thomas Vance has a son William and is also down as a Chair Maker on the household return form.

Williams wife Annie died at 39 and we know that according to Johanna her father William never lived with them.  She told stories of how he would return from being away after long periods of time with presents for her.

My aunts and uncles are under the impression that William worked as a Bookies, they had been told stories of an aunt nellie in belfast and they knew that william was from belfast but johanna had told them that her father had passed away when she was young.  But on Annie Vances Death cert her "condition" is down as married and I was informed that if William was dead when Annie passed away under "condition" it would of said widowed.

Im unsure if any of this makes any sense to you but if it does I would be very greatful if you could get in touch.

Kind regards,

Laura

[kingskerswell]

Hi Laura,
            This may be of interest. In 1887 Thomas Vance married Anne Jane DAVISON in St.Annes Church of Ireland, Shankill, Belfast. The fathers' names were William Vance and James Davison.

Regards

[aghadowey]

Have just posted a long reply on the other topic you had added onto- best to keep all replies in the one place to avoid confusion and duplication.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=591077.msg5019274;topicseen#new

[ShelleyVF]

I wonder if this would be of any use to you? It seems that there were two William Vance's who were siblings by John Vance and Jane Milligan,their first born child who passed away at 2months old in 1871 and then the third child born 1874 and died 1934.Hope this helps! http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570955.0;attach=265318

[aghadowey]

Not sure that those are the same Vance family as in this thread.

[Barnbarroch]

Hello Laura,
I can't add much to what others have already found but can confirm some of it; so here is that family to the limit of my knowledge:
Jamie.


(1) William VANCE [135]
  b. ca 1832, 30 yrs bef marriage/children
  occ. builder
   (2) Thomas VANCE [316], [135]
     b. ca 1862, Belfast, Co. Antrim [2]
     occ. Windsor chair maker
     rel. CoI
     d. 25 Mar 1921 [595]
     Orig. 28 Charles St., Belfast
   & Ann Jane DAVISON [316], [2], [316], [135]
     b. ca 1866, Belfast, Co. Antrim [2]
     d. 9 Nov 1927 [68, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=591077.msg4418237;topicseen]
     occ. weaver
     m. 12 Jul 1887, St. Anne’s, Shankill [135]
      (3) William Davidson VANCE* [316]
        b. 1888, Co. Antrim
        occ. house painter
        d. Sep qu 1956, Blackpool [373]
      & Annie DOYLE [1573]
        b. ca 1890, perhaps
        d. ca 1929, perhaps
        m. 15 Jan 1921, Dublin [1573]
         (4) Johanna VANCE [1573]
           b. 16 Jun 1921, Dublin
         & NN BYRNE [1573]
      (3) William Davidson VANCE* [316]
        b. 1888, Co. Antrim
        occ. house painter
        d. Sep qu 1956, Blackpool [373]
      & Bertha LEVERS [2033]
        b. ca 1895
        m. 29 Oct 1938, St. Pancras, London [2033]
      (3) James Davidson VANCE [316], [135]
        b. 15 Oct 1892, Belfast No 4
        occ. apprentice plater [316]
        bp. 31 Oct 1892, Belfast, Co. Antrim
      (3) Thomas VANCE [316], [135]
        b. 27 Sep 1894, Belfast [790]
      (3) Ernest VANCE [790]
        b. 12 Sep 1903, Belfast
        d. 11 Mar 1907, 6 Craigmore St. [135]
        br. City Cemetery, Belfast
        Flags: Presumed dead end
      (3) Ellen ‘Nellie’ VANCE [316]
        b. ca 1899, Co. Antrim
      (3) Agnes Norwood VANCE [316], [135]
        b. 1 Aug 1900, Belfast
        d. 25 Jan 1901, Craigmore Streer
        br. City Cemetery, Belfast
      (3) Mary Ann VANCE [135]
        b. 9 Sep 1889, Belfast
      (3) Mary Ann VANCE [135]
        b. 24 Feb 1891, Belfast
   (2) William VANCE [790]
     b. ca 1853, 30 yrs bef marriage/children
     occ. mechanic
     Flags: Provisional
     Orig. 28 Charles St., Belfast
   & Susan GRAY [790]
     m. 25 Dec 1883, Drumbo, Co. Down [790]
Sources

2. “Vance/Vans/Wentz Y-DNA Project,” Dave Vance — and formerly Adam Bradford, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/vance/about/results.

68. User submitted info at Rootsweb, http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/, “User submitted info at RootsChat,” http://www.rootschat.com, 7 Jun 2008.

135. “Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF),” http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/, http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php?&set=yes.

316. “Census of Ireland,” http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/, Jan 2, 2009.
Irish census

373. “Free BMD,” http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl, The Trustees of FreeBMD , Jul 12, 2009., www.freebmd.org.uk.

595. Belfast City Council, “Burial Records,” http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp, Apr 9, 2012.

790. “Irish Genealogy,” Department of Tourism, Culture and Sport, Ireland, http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/welcome.html, Aug 15, 2010.

1573. Laura O’Donoghue, “Vance Family Tree,” 31 July 2013.

2033. Valerie, “Vance family,” 12 Feb 2015.

[Kiltaglassan]

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595. Belfast City Council, “Burial Records,” http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp, Apr 9, 2012.

790. “Irish Genealogy,” Department of Tourism, Culture and Sport, Ireland, http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/welcome.html, Aug 15, 2010.
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Clicking on the two website links, gives an Error 404 message.

Here's the Belfast City Council cemetery burials search page-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/

............and the IrishGenealogy website search page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Update to the Civil Records 2022
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3

[Kiltaglassan]

(3) Ellen ‘Nellie’ VANCE [316]
        b. ca 1899, Co. Antrim

Ellen Vance born 29 May 1898 at 6 Craigmore Street, Belfast.     #447
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02087/1796073.pdf


Added: See original post for 1901 census.

[Kiltaglassan]

(2) Thomas VANCE [316], [135]
     b. ca 1862, Belfast, Co. Antrim [2]
     occ. Windsor chair maker
     rel. CoI
     d. 25 Mar 1921 [595]

Thomas Vance died 25 May 1921 at 17 Craigmore Street, Belfast. His son J D Vance was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05098/4400652.pdf