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Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« on: Tuesday 13 August 13 15:24 BST (UK) »
http://generations.regionofwaterloo.ca/getperson.php?personID=I148323&tree=generations

This link indicates the following source. What is the best / fastest way to obtain a copy of the original?  ???
 
 1.[S91] Church Records - ON, Waterloo, Maryhill - St. Boniface Roman Catholic, Rev. Joseph Ritter. Joseph May s/o Michael & Catharine Anins? married 1 Feb 1853 to Maria Anna Miller d/o Anton & Magdalena Klein witnesses: Arbogast Roth & Catharina Schell
 
My interest is in Anton & Magdalena Klein. I believe that the source MAY actually read Anton Miller & Magdalena Sayler / Seiler. However, I've not been able to track those names in Germany, sooooo maybe there is something to this source that I need to unlock the puzzle.

Mary Ann in the link has a brother whose Canadian 1913 death certificate says parents were Anthony Miller & Magdalena Sayl?. An old family document says parents are Antoine Miller & Magdalene Sayler. Who the heck are these Kleins or are they simply a transcription error?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
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GOTZ / GOETZ of Soufflenheim, Alsace & Ont
MITTELHAUSSER of Soufflenheim, Alsace
MULLER or MILLER of Drusenheim, Alsace & Ont

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 August 13 16:23 BST (UK) »
Have you checked FamilySearch?  They have unindexed Roman Catholic records for various RC churches in Ontario.

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 August 13 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hi

I believe a lot of German people changed there names, to more English sounding names

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 August 13 16:36 BST (UK) »
Have you checked FamilySearch?  They have unindexed Roman Catholic records for various RC churches in Ontario.

Awesome Cosmac. I didn't know that.  Will head there. Thanks.
MACDONALD of Benbecula, Scotland, Earlswood/Wapella Sask
BAIN of Aberdeenshire, Trafford district, Red Jacket and Moosomin, Sask
CHEYNE of Aberdeenshire & Trafford district, Sask
FISHER of Yorkshire, Ontario & Saskatchewan
INKSTER of Shetland, Edinburgh, Sask and BC
GAUNT of Yorkshire, Kent, BC & Australia
KINCH of Ireland, PEI, Ab, Sask
CORCORAN of Ireland, PEI & Sask
GOTZ / GOETZ of Soufflenheim, Alsace & Ont
MITTELHAUSSER of Soufflenheim, Alsace
MULLER or MILLER of Drusenheim, Alsace & Ont


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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 August 13 16:40 BST (UK) »
Hi

I believe a lot of German people changed there names, to more English sounding names

Margp

Thanks for the thought, Marg. That certainly happened. :P ;D Makes it darn hard to sleuth.

The couple whose name is in question never came to Canada. It's more the missing surname (Miller to match the daughter's name) for the father & entirely different surname for the mother that I'm questioning. I can't envision that a Miller would have changed a surname to Klein. ;)

I do appreciate you weighing in though. :)
MACDONALD of Benbecula, Scotland, Earlswood/Wapella Sask
BAIN of Aberdeenshire, Trafford district, Red Jacket and Moosomin, Sask
CHEYNE of Aberdeenshire & Trafford district, Sask
FISHER of Yorkshire, Ontario & Saskatchewan
INKSTER of Shetland, Edinburgh, Sask and BC
GAUNT of Yorkshire, Kent, BC & Australia
KINCH of Ireland, PEI, Ab, Sask
CORCORAN of Ireland, PEI & Sask
GOTZ / GOETZ of Soufflenheim, Alsace & Ont
MITTELHAUSSER of Soufflenheim, Alsace
MULLER or MILLER of Drusenheim, Alsace & Ont

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 August 13 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi cosmac

I've been trying to find the church records I referenced yesterday. I can't find Waterloo County as an option in the RC records on FamilySearch. This is the link to the page I'm looking on. I've also provided the source info from the Waterloo County genealogy site that I'd like to see in the original form.

Am I doing something wrong in my search technique? ???

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/records/collection/1927566/waypoints

27 Nov 1855 in Waterloo County
Church Records - ON, Waterloo, Maryhill - St. Boniface Roman Catholic. Joseph Miller s/o Anton & Magdalena Klein married 27 Nov 1855 to Josepha Goetz d/o Martin & Theresia Mittelhauser, witnesses: John Korman & Ignatus Miller

1 Feb 1853 in Waterloo County
Church Records - ON, Waterloo, Maryhill - St. Boniface Roman Catholic, Rev. Joseph Ritter. Joseph May s/o Michael & Catharine Anins? married 1 Feb 1853 to Maria Anna Miller d/o Anton & Magdalena Klein witnesses: Arbogast Roth & Catharina Schell

Thanks in advance for any further direction.  :)
MACDONALD of Benbecula, Scotland, Earlswood/Wapella Sask
BAIN of Aberdeenshire, Trafford district, Red Jacket and Moosomin, Sask
CHEYNE of Aberdeenshire & Trafford district, Sask
FISHER of Yorkshire, Ontario & Saskatchewan
INKSTER of Shetland, Edinburgh, Sask and BC
GAUNT of Yorkshire, Kent, BC & Australia
KINCH of Ireland, PEI, Ab, Sask
CORCORAN of Ireland, PEI & Sask
GOTZ / GOETZ of Soufflenheim, Alsace & Ont
MITTELHAUSSER of Soufflenheim, Alsace
MULLER or MILLER of Drusenheim, Alsace & Ont

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 August 13 16:32 BST (UK) »
When I asked if you had checked FamilySearch for the Roman Catholic church records they have browsable images of I didn't mean to imply that I had found your Roman Catholic church in the listings.  It was only a suggestion to check out the database to see if your area was covered.

I'm assuming your source for the surname Saylor and the Christian name of Anton comes from a book entry found attached to a family tree on ancestry.  The Louis Miller also mentioned in this book is found on the 1901 and 1911 census in Luther, Wellington North (1911 as Lozie) and his death in 1920 at Toronto gives his father as Louis Miller.  His daughter Elizabeth was the informant and perhaps she thought it meant to give her father's name??  Louis is buried in Arthur, Ontario.  Too bad that death record doesn't clear up anything in your lineage.

My husband's direct lineage has Roman Catholic ties.  I've contacted churches and cemeteries and generally they've been quite cooperative and either supplied the information I asked for, told me the information I wanted didn't exist or they didn't hold any records and try this source.

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 August 13 23:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the information cosmac. Sorry for the tardy response. I've been away from my desk since this morning.

The tree you saw with the 1906sh document was likely mine. ;) Yes, that is where I got the maiden name Saylor. Try as I might, I've not been able to link it to anything in Germany, so I'm hoping, one I figure out the Klein comment, that I can make further progress.  ;)

I'll try to find a different way to follow up on the RC docs that were cited in the earlier post.

I've not explored the FamilySearch documents much in the past, so you've piqued my interest in doing that more now. Thanks. :)
MACDONALD of Benbecula, Scotland, Earlswood/Wapella Sask
BAIN of Aberdeenshire, Trafford district, Red Jacket and Moosomin, Sask
CHEYNE of Aberdeenshire & Trafford district, Sask
FISHER of Yorkshire, Ontario & Saskatchewan
INKSTER of Shetland, Edinburgh, Sask and BC
GAUNT of Yorkshire, Kent, BC & Australia
KINCH of Ireland, PEI, Ab, Sask
CORCORAN of Ireland, PEI & Sask
GOTZ / GOETZ of Soufflenheim, Alsace & Ont
MITTELHAUSSER of Soufflenheim, Alsace
MULLER or MILLER of Drusenheim, Alsace & Ont

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Re: Best way to obtin an original of this Ontario church record?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 August 13 00:09 BST (UK) »
Obviously the comment I made on your other thread regarding using the contact button for the Waterloo transcriptions belonged here.