Simoncelli - Howard marriage 1975 GRO ref please

[Stainforth]

Yes, that other thread is me also. Im just trying to understand how he could marry Jane in newton abbott then remarry her in Liverpool. Thought soneone may have come across it before and could offer an explanation. Also, we had wondered the same, whether Gio was infact Domenico. Thanks to you all for your input

[Stainforth]

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all supposition - but this won`t be easy - maybe we should look for an Italian marriage for Dominic Simoncelli between 1846 - 1865  ??...as a Traveller did he get a Registrar to marry them in Newton Abbott - then when he settled in Liverpool - went to a church for blessing ??...june 1866 and M L Simoncelli was born early 1867 ?...loads of questions need answering ...
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I missed this bit before, I think you could be right about it being a registry office marriage in Mewton Abbott and a blessing in Liverpool. Thank you

[KGarrad]

Do you have a copy of the original, earlier, marriage certificate?
Did they get married in the parish church - so a CofE marriage?

When Jane died, she had a Catholic burial.

So maybe the 2nd "marriage" was simply an affirmation of vows in a Catholic Church, after she converted to Catholicism?


I would think that they married at Bickington, which is a parish in the Newton Abbott Registration District.

[JenB]

I think KG's summing up of the situation must be correct:

They were married in Newton Abbott Registration District, after which the marriage was registered.

In 1875, for some reason unknown, they went through another marriage ceremony in a Roman Catholic church.

As they were already married and the marriage had been registered there would be no reason for it to be registered again.

The fact that it wasn't registered and might in fact be a 'blessing' was also mentioned in reply 19 of your earlier thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657524.msg5033878#msg5033878

[suzard]

On a*****ry there is a marriage between Domenio Simoncelli and Jane Howard in Aug 1875 at St francis xaviour in Liverpool. I can find no GRO index for this. I would like to order the cert as I had already found a marriage for the 2 of them in June 1866 in Newton Abbott. Any ideas? Could the later wedding have been a blessing? Or renewal of vows? Or transfer to another religion even? Thanks

We found this information on your other thread for you - did you delve more into the fact that Domenico may have been a bigamist??

Geo Domennico married Harriet pearce - it looks like he went by the name of Domenico - 1861 Harriet was married and in London - Domenico was in Devon

On your other thread you have given his occupation as "Travelling Hawker" -where did you find him described as "Hawker"? It seems he made "images" or sculptures and was described just as a "Traveller" -maybe he went from town to town selling his work?

You said he came to England pre 1841- do you have him on the 1841 census??

Maybe he married Jane at the register office -maybe he was already married  to Harriet? Then they later gave their vows in a Catholic ceremony -maybe when Harriet had died???
This did happen to one in my family - it was 30 years before they had a church blessing though!!!!

You really need to purchase the marriage cert to Harriet pearce and the marriage cert to Jane Howard
Suz

[JenB]

HI Stainforth 

I hope you don't mind me mentioning that it's better to keep all of these enquiries on one thread, otherwise people start to do look-ups you've already been given elsewhere.

If you start a new thread it's a good idea to provide a link to the old one 

[JenB]

On your other thread you have given his occupation as "Travelling Hawker" -where did you find him described as "Hawker"?

He's a Hawker in 1851, in Brighton HO 107 / 1645 / 509 / 26

[JenB]

Is this you? http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vrb/

[Stainforth]

Thank you all for your help, I only asked for tbe GRO reference to the marriage as I thought I might be missing something. I didnt expect all the other info or I would have included a link. I gind thst if you add to the end of an old post it often gets missed.
I have the marriage cert for Jane Howard to Domenico Simoncelli and they are listed as spinster and bachelor. He could have lied, I suppose. Yes, was a C of E marriage so it looks as though the marriage in Liverpool was a RC blessing as you thought.
Thanks again for all your help