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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:07 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Thanks for your interest and endeavours
Our forebears didn't all live in a bed of roses
Here are two items of interest of the HILL Family from Papers Past which explain some of their circumstances.

Hawera & Normanby Star, Volume XXXIV, Issue 3804, 24 March 1898, Page 4   
Magistrate's Court.    Wednesday, March 23 1898.   
Before Mr H. W. Northcroft, S.M.)    CIVIL.     MAINTENANCE.
Mary Hill (Mr Caplen) v. John Hill,  Matthew Hill and George Hill (Mr Matthews). This was a claim under the Destitute Persons Act to compel defendant's to contribute towards the support of their widowed mother. The youngest son had kept her during tho last two years, but it was alleged that the three other sons had not contributed anything. Plaintiff was cross-examined at length by Mr Matthews. During the examination a number of family differences were ventilated, recapitulation of which is unnecessary. Edward Hill gave evidence for plaintiff. For the defence it was alleged that plaintiff had been offered a home by two of the defendants, and that she had refused to accept of it. Matthew Hill (a married man with 4 children) said he had offered to provide a home at Stony river for his mother, and had given her money at times. Geo. Hill also said he had offered his mother a home.  She had lived with him 11 months.  Had given her sums of money from time to time.  His wife and his mother disagreeing was the cause of tho latter leaving. His Worship said, in reply to Mr Matthews, who submitted that it was a hardship to compel the defendants to pay for plaintiffs keep outside when they had offered her a home to go to, that it was only a gracious thing for them to do to let her stay where she liked when it was proved that she could not agree with her daughters-in-law.   He ordered defendants to pay 5s a week each, to be paid monthly with Costs

[Mary was the Widow of Mathew HILL a onetime soldier]

Taranaki Herald, Volume XLVIII, Issue 11782, 27 March 1900, Page 2      
Divorce Court.      THIS DAY. Tuesday, March 27.— Before His Honor Mr Justice Conolly.
Hill v. Hill.   This was the wife's petition on the grounds of desertion and adultery. Mr Weston (instructed by Mr Welsh) appeared for the petitioner. Respondent did not appear.  The petitioner stated that she was married at 18 years of age to John Hill, on 25th July 1887, at Manaia.  Her husband was a labourer.  They lived together for some 18 months, at the end of which time she had to leave him.  He afterwards made overtures for her to return, and she said she would do so after six months if he behaved himself.  Before that time expired he was living with another woman, and these proceedings were started. In the meantime she had maintained herself by dressmaking.  By His Honor She had not seen or heard from her husband for the last ten years. Constable Simpson gave evidence that a John Hill was living with a young woman near Normanby. There were four children. R. D. Welsh, solicitor, also gave evidence.  His Honor said there were no grounds for the plea of desertion but on the ground of adultery he would grant a decree nisi, with costs against respondent on the lowest scale.


Here is the Family

1889/18970    Anderson    Sydney Egmont    Elizabeth   NR
1890/9898            Anderson    Annie            Elizabeth   NR
1967/46035        Hill    John Mathew Royce      76Y                           (sometimes Roy)
1900/2320      Hill    Ronald                         Elizabeth   John
1903/10773    Hill    Isabell  May             Elizabeth   John          (sometimes Isabelle)
1906/24695    Hill    Arthur Leslie          Elizabeth   John
1910/26463    Hill    Laurence George    Elizabeth   John

I have not been able to locate a NZBDM birth for John Mathew.



KHP     - I do not have access to the school records can you PM me the full details you have

Thanks   Signal



Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 19:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your help, Signal.

Further details sent per PM yesterday

John B
Barraclough, Barron, Hunter, Marsden, Pawson, Sowden, Street, Vowless,

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 24 October 13 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Spades,

Noticed your reply

Re: Charles Parmiter 1830- 18th Irish Reg of Foot     « Reply #2 on: Monday 07 October 13 01:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Sally, :)
The book you're referring to is, Discharged in New Zealand. Soldiers of the Imperial Foot Regiments who took their discharge in New Zealand 1840-1870 (1988).     I have this book on CD-ROM,


Thought you may be able to shed some light on the "first HILLs in NZ"

On Marriage printout of [A] John HILL (2nd Marriage - 1901) Mathew is recorded as Soldier

Grandparents of Sydney Egmont HILL


Surname: HILL
Forenames: Mathew
Last Address: Puniho (Labourer)
Age at Death: 64 Years
Date of Death: 28 Jul 1896
Category: Burial
Funeral Director: Not Available
Date of Burial: 30 Jul 1896
Thought to be [OKATO CEMETERY ]
NPDC


Probably born about 1832 Londonderry (or  possibly Australia )

Married to Mary [thought to be nee ] BISHOP

Surname: HILL
Forenames: Mary
Last Address: Puniho (Widow)
Age at Death: 70 Years
Date of Death: 31 Aug 1904
Category: Burial
Funeral Director: Not Available
Date of Burial: 2 Sep 1904
Thought to be  [OKATO CEMETERY]
NPDC


Probably born about 1834

Signal
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #21 on: Friday 25 October 13 09:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Signal,

I found these two military references to a Matthew HILL:

Discharged in New Zealand. Soldiers of the Imperial Foot Regiments who took their discharge in New Zealand 1840-1870 (1988)
57th Regiment, p.38:
Regimental No.:      3255   
Rank:         Private
Name:         HILL, Matthew
Birthplace:      London   
Trade (on enlistment):   -
Date of Enlistment:   -
Place of Discharge:   NP (e.g. New Plymouth)
Date of Discharge:   28 Aug 1864
Type of Discharge:   C (e.g. Completion of Engagement)
Ship:   SQ (e.g. STAR QUEEN, dep. Bombay 23 Nov 1860, arr. New Plymouth 23 Jan 1861)

New Zealand Medal to Colonials. Detailed medal rolls of officers and men in colonial units who received the New Zealand Medal for service in the New Zealand Wars 1845-1872. (10th ed.) 2010.
Hawke’s Bay Cavalry Volunteers (this unit known by numerous other titles), p.53:
Name:               HILL, Matthew
Rank:               Trooper
Where joined unit and period of service:    London (unsure if this should be address at time of     
                                                                 medal claim)
Rank & period of service with other units:   -
Address at time of medal claim:      -
Actions:               Omarunui  12 October 1866
Date & place of Birth:         -   
Career (on enlistment):         -
Date of death:            -
Ship travelled to New Zealand:      -      
Year of Gazette notice:         Gazette 1871
AD36/3 or Medal Register number:      1050
Archives NZ file reference:         -

Spades
ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL


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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #22 on: Monday 28 October 13 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Spades

The first one looks likely now to check arrival(s) in NZ

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 02 November 13 10:44 GMT (UK) »
For those of you watching and wondering

57th Regiment "Diehards" appears to be our Mathew.  
Several of the family seem to have adopted the middle name Inkerman - the place where the Diehards nearly lost a battle in the Crimean War on 5 November 1854

Mathews Parents were
Mathew HILL Scottish Hotelkeeper and
Pinnie BROWN

Mathew's wife Mary TAHANA nee BISHOP was born (according to a Family Tree on line) 1833 in Stoke Dorset England.   She arrived in Taranaki about 24th Feb 1842 (aged about 7)
her parents were
Daniel BISHOP (b about 1803, d 10 Jan 1880, buried St Lukes Burial Ground) and
Louisa COOMBES (b about 1810, d 10th May 1883, buried St Lukes Burial Ground)

How Mary came to have the name TAHANA on her marriage is a mystery.   The Daniels resided at Hua [name of a Pa and a District ] or Waiwakaiho [now often Waiwhakaiho -a locality and  river between Fitzroy and Bell Block]
There was a respected "friendly native" TAHANA  sometimes Te TAHANA who was a Native Assessor [akin to a Justice of the Peace who sat in some Courts alongside a magistrate]  residing at Hua Pa.
It was probably his son who was Wiremu TAHANA
Did Mary the eldest daughter adopt the name out of respect or was there more of a relationship ?

Taranaki Herald, Volume V, Issue 233, 10 January 1857, Page 1      
FOR  SALE
FIFTY acres of LAND in the Hua block, part fern and part bush. Apply to Wiremu Tahana, Te Hua, or to G. Bishop, Waiwakaiho,


Mathew died at Puniho 28 Jul 1896 and Mary died at Puniho 31 Aug 1904
Both are buried at Okato Cemetery   Both show four male and four female living issue at date of death.   There are Females born (1) between 1862 & 1865 and (3) between 1870 & 1873 for whom no names have been found.   It is possible that these are Maori or unregistered Births and may have been children of Mary but not Mathew.

Signal
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 03 November 13 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Many Thanks to Signal and spades for the extra help and details.
I'll pass it all on  :)

John B
Barraclough, Barron, Hunter, Marsden, Pawson, Sowden, Street, Vowless,

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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 06 November 13 10:19 GMT (UK) »
1st Marriage of Mary Bishop found.   Don't know how I missed it several times

1855/1123         Mary    Bishop               Wiremu    Tahana    [1 Jun 1855]

But how did it end ?   Wiremu was apparently alive and well 21 months later
Taranaki Herald, 21 March 1857
FOR SALE     
FIFTY acres of LAND in the Hua block, part fern and part bush.
Apply to Wiremu Tahana, Te Hua, or to G. Bishop, Waiwakaiho.


- and who was G Bishop

Signal
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: Search for parents of Sydney Egmont Hill *completed*
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 01 October 14 23:59 BST (UK) »
Have just joined RootsChat and saw this thread. I have a lot of information on Matthew Hill and Mary Bishop/Tahana, including Matthew's military record from the UK. This thread closed nearly a year ago so I don't want to post stuff nobody needs.
Matthew Hill was my 3x great-grandfather.