charles heaton

[JaneyCanuck]

But can you explain how Ralph Hawkins comes into this, and how he is thought to be Annie's father if her mother is thought to be Elizabeth Hawkins' sister?

Could it be rather that Ralph Hawkins was Elizabeth Hawkins' brother, and maybe he was a little older than estimated, for example?

Ah -- Ralph Hawkins was the father named on Annie's eventual marriage certificate? Any occupation given, if so? How is his origin in Birr known?

[JaneyCanuck]

Was the first daughter's birth registered as Florence Victoria Hawker, Sept Q 1890, Edmonton reg dist?

I can't really identify the other daughters' births ... what is the "(Henkle)" you show for Dorothy?

Sorry, Eveline Heaton, Dec Q 1891, Kingston reg dist.

Per the 1901 (1911), Florence and Dorothy were born in London (Essex) and Eveline (Evelyn) was born in Hounslow (Middlesex).

And Annie married John Brown Powell as Annie Heaton, just to be clear, in 1893 in Brentford (which doesn't cover Hounslow).

If she named her father as a Mr Hawkins when she married, and claimed to be a widow named Heaton, it seems she was not married to Mr Heaton but was known publicly by that name, presumably as a result of a non-marital partnership with him.

What I am mainly not getting, myself, is how the connection between Charles Heaton (and his son Hamilton Heaton in Quebec) and Annie Hawkins and her family has been made at all. And, I guess, why the search was directed to Charles Heaton rather than to Annie Hawkins directly. ?


btw, I don't think you responded at all to all the info I found in the Cdn records ...

[xs]

The link between the Hawkins and the Heatons is this, as far as I know.  Much of the info has been from Annie's grand daughter who has related to me what she has been told by her mother ( now deceased) and her aunt (still living , and a very vibrant 93 year old!).  There are also letters to Annie from a few close relatives - (which Annie chose to keep - significant ) informing her of her Uncle's death - Jamison- and also of her father's death.  I could poss send these to you via e-mail.  It looks as tho Annie's father died maybe in Australia or Canada but he certainly emigrated,  according to one letter sent to Annie when informed of his death. Hamilton Heaton claimed to be Annie's nephew.  Not quite sure how this could be but am waiting for a reply from a relative of Hamilton's who has said that he has letters which Hamilton wrote regarding his Aunty Annie.    Fingers crossed!

[JaneyCanuck]

Rather than sending copies of the letters, can you just confirm

Does the letter about Annie's father's death name him as Ralph Hawkins?

What exactly did the letter about his death say about him emigrating / where he died?

Is a father named on Annie's marriage certificate, and if so, what is the name?


If Hamilton Heaton was Annie's nephew, then Hamilton's father Charles Heaton was her brother (since we know his mother was Québécoise). Or ... Hamilton's father Charles Heaton was the brother of Annie's partner the unknown Mr. Heaton ...

You are so parsimonious with the actual facts!
Another thing we still don't have clear is the birth info of the three daughters -- i.e. the names as registered, and when and where registered.


I have just now found Annie in 1891, in Putney:

Annie Heaton, 27, married, no occupation, born Commercial Rd, Middlesex
Florence V, 2, born ?, Kent
Dorothy, 4/12, born Lambeth, Surrey
Jno R Taylor, 46, boarder, married, journalist author, born Fulham, Middlesex
Rich H Taylor, 9, born Brighton, Sussex
Amy M M Taylor, 7, born Hurstpierpoint, Sussex

Commercial Rd is in Staines, which I assume is the source of the info you gave earlier about her place of birth.

I don't see births to match either of the Taylor children. I also don't see a match for any of the Taylors in any other census. ... No, I suspect he is John R Taylor, aged 40, married to Eliza J, in Greenwich in 1881, a book seller incorrectly transcribed as boot seller by Anc'y. He had a son who was a medical student and two household servants, so was rather well off and it would seem odd for him to be a lodger in 1891. However, in 1891, Eliza J and two of the children are in Hove, Sussex, and she is still reporting married and living on own means.

Before that ... there is an oddment with a John R Taylor in 1871 ... two people who look a lot alike:
- John Richd Taylor, wife Eliza, born 1844 Shoreditch, living Stoke Newington, carpenter ... but listed as HOH after his wife
- John R Taylor, born 1845 Middlesex, lodger in St Pancras, widowed
Both are carpenters.

Since you have called him John Richard Taylor, but he shows in 1891 as only John R Taylor, you had looked into him as well?

It very much looks like the John Richard Taylor in the 1891 household was estranged from his wife and family ... but why would he have the young children of his marriage with him? They were almost certainly not children of his marriage to Eliza, so were they Annie's children?? Did he in fact go by the name Heaton, and that is why the younger children have that name?

[JaneyCanuck]

edit to add: my research overtook what is in this post, but I will just leave it all here in case it is ever useful. Basically, you can skip over this and move on to the next one, I think.


This one gets a little complicated ... but have you ever looked at Alice Heaton in the 1881 and 1891 censuses? Born c1875, living with Beesley grandparents in both censuses. Since Thomas Beesley (Beasley) was unmarried in 1861, I would assume that Alice was the grandchild of Mary, child of her daughter before marriage to Beesley. In 1871, Thomas and Mary Ann Beesley have no children. I would guess that the marriage is Thomas Beesley + Mary Ann Butler 1865 Staines. (Mary Ann was older; born c1821.)

There is only one possible Butler+Heaton or Beesley+Heaton marriage that fits to produce a Heaton granddaughter: Jane Sarah Butler and Arthur Sherwin Heaton both appear in the list for June Q 1873 Marylebone. Yes, FS confirms that marriage, both fathers William. Arthur Sherwin Heaton was born 1838 St Pancras, and may have had a son by the same name who was born and died in St Geo H Sq 1878-79 (several other children born and died in St Geo H Sq that decade, so more likely they all belonged to Charles Wilson Heaton who married there in 1870, born c1840 Chelsea, so not a brother of ASH though ...). In 1841 ASH's parents were William, a tailor, and Henrietta, but I can't find him anywhere after that, or a death. Jane Sarah Butler was born 1852 Staines (Stanwell) and possibly died 1949 Kensington (although age 88 is out), but no hide nor hair of her in censuses post-marriage either; in 1861 she is with parents William and Mary Ann in Staines.

Aha. In 1871, he is Arthur Eaton with mother Henrietta in St Marylebone -- a mariner, his widowed mother a lodging house keeper.

Alice Heaton is clearly the daughter of this couple: Alice Sherwin Heaton, March Q 1875, Staines. And something happened to her parents, or their marriage, by 1881. She married in 1895 in Staines, to Edward Kent, and moved to Hampshire and had several children.

Could Arthur Sherwin Heaton be our mystery man? Trees at Mundia show his birth and marriage but nothing more. Could Charles Heaton c1880 have been a son of Arthur, registered under his mother's surname? Arthur was old enough that Annie born c1865 could also have been his daughter, before his marriage to Jane Sarah Butler.

It's just that Heaton in Staines is so scarce on the ground ...

[JaneyCanuck]

And just throwing anything potentially interesting into the mix ... and since St Geo in the East was in issue at the outset ...

1861 in St Geo in the East, mistranscribed as "Heston":
Ralph Heaten, 40, labourer, born Ireland
Sarah Heaten, 35, born Dorset
Eliz Mary Heaten, 1, born Stepney?, Middlesex
- birth reg Dec Q 1859 Stepney

Elizabeth Mary Heaton was born Dec Q 1859 in Stepney reg dist.
There is a Ralph Heaton marriage Dec Q 1855 Whitechapel with a bride missing.
There is a Ralph Heaton death Dec Q 1876 St Geo in the East, aged 66.
An Ann Heaton was born in St Geo in the East in Sep Q 1863.

Oh look.

The missing bride is Sarah Hawkins. The page number has been mistranscribed as 765 rather than 763. (The page is essentially illegible at Anc'y but this is the only thing that makes sense, as there is a spare bride on that page, but a certificate or parish record would be needed.)

Too much coincidence?

In 1851, Sarah Hawkins born in Dorset c1825 appears to be in Stepney with her aunt Sarah Knight, born in Burton, i.e. Dorset, c1796, a widow.

Way too much coincidence, I think:

Elizabeth Hawkins (born Burton Bradstock) married Philip Robert Jamison 1843 in Camberwell Her mother was a (Jane) Jenny Knight who married a Henry Hawkins in 1811.

Sarah Knight c1796, a Knight by marriage ... not sure what the connection works out to, but her husband was the brother of Jenny Knight maybe?

There are a possible marriage at FS, in Burton Bradstock:
Sarah Bishop to Robert Knight 1822
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX3L-TYM
Jane Knight 1787 had a brother Robert Knight 1790:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9NW-S2L
Sarah Bishop baptised Burton Bradstock 1796:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1BY-ZG9

In 1871 and 1881, Sarah Knight is in Sutton, Surrey, with daughter Elizabeth M Allport.

I guess what we are seeing is that Sarah Hawkins c1825 Dorset, who married Ralph Heaton, was undoubtedly
- the daughter of Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins who married in 1811
and thus
- the younger sister of Elizabeth Hawkins who married Philip Robert Jameson in 1843.

In 1841, Sarah Hawkins appears to be in Burton Bradstock with Mary Coombs, 30, and Mary Hawkins, 29, all labourers, no relationships stated, but there are an absolute load of ag lab Coombes-s on those two pages. Jenny and Henry Hawkins appear to be deceased by 1841.

Mary Hawkins baptised 1811 Burton Bradstock, daughter of Henry and Jane:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N644-NZF
Elizabeth Hawkins, 1818, ditto:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N64H-56X
but no Sarah ...


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X84Q-P6G
Ralph Heaton, Tax Assessment, 1823, Ballinree, Birr, King's County, Ireland
Wrong generation to be our Ralph, but maybe a close relation?

This could be the marriage of one of that Ralph Heaton's children in Birr:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD9-5XG

A Ralph Heaton did marry a Mary Ann Kennedy in 1876 in Parsonstown and have children Sarah and Thomas -- perhaps this is our Ralph, gone back home? And the widowed Mary Anne, aged 46, greengrocer, with children Thomas, Sarah, Ellen and Mary Anne, is in the 1901 Irish census in Birr. ... But probably scratch that: a Ralph Heaton aged 44 died in Parsonstown in 1898.

A Sarah Heaton aged 41 died in Pancras reg dist in 1866. This would be a perfect match for Sarah Hawkins Heaton.

Now where is Ann Heaton 1863 in 1871 and 1881?

Oh -- except you know where she was in 1881 (a servant in a ritzy hotel) and you just haven't told us?


At least this finally explains why it made no sense to me that Ralph Hawkins was Annie's father, when her mother's sister was allegedly a Hawkins!

Annie was a Heaton by birth, at least by name at birth.

[JaneyCanuck]

I feel a need to summarize.

Ralph Heaton c1821 Ireland
married
Sarah Hawkins c1825 Burton Bradstock, Dorset

They had known daughter
Elizabeth Mary Heaton 1859 Stepney

and hypothesized daughter
Ann Heaton 1863 St Geo in the East

Sarah Hawkins was apparently the daughter of Jenny Knight and Henry Hawkins.
Jenny Knight's brother Robert Knight was married to Sarah Bishop 1796 Burton Bradstock.

In 1851, before her marriage to Ralph Heaton, Sarah Hawkins was living with widowed aunt-in-law Sarah Bishop Knight in Stepney.

There is no sure sighting of any of Ralph, Sarah, Elizabeth Mary or Ann in 1871, or after that for any of them except Ann/Annie.
You may know where Annie was in 1881.

Annie Heaton appears in 1891 with her daughters and the lodger John R Taylor, who appears to be estranged from his wife Eliza and has children with him who are younger than his known children with wife Eliza and older than Annie Heaton's children.

Annie Heaton eventually marries as Heaton, claiming to be a widow, probably for propriety because she has children.

Annie may have had her children use the name Hawkins, and used it herself, if she was deserted by or never really knew her father Ralph Heaton.


So ... where does Charles Heaton 1880/1881 come into this now??
Not a son of Ralph Heaton and Sarah Hawkins, as she would have been 55 at that time -- and that is the only way that Annie could have been Hamilton Heaton's aunt.
My guess is that he was the son of either Annie or Elizabeth Mary Heaton.
If Charles was the son of Elizabeth Mary Heaton, Annie would have been his aunt and Hamilton's great aunt.


Stopped summarizing and just adding now ...

Possibly of interest in 1851 is a Michael Heaton in Christchurch, Middlesex, policeman, born c1821 in Birr, King's County (transcribed by Anc'y as Birrkings). Of course there are a gazillion other Irish Heatons, but only that one that specifies Birr.


Stop presses, have them in 1871,

Ralph Eaton, c1816, born in St Geo in the East
Sarah Eaton, c1823, born ditto
Mary, c1860, born ditto
Ann, c1863, born ditto
Ralph, c1866, born ditto

I had wondered about the Ralph birth in June Q 1866 in St Geo in the East, of course.

But then they all disappear again.

A Ralph Heaton with parents Ralph and Sarah died in NSW in 1894 ...
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

[JaneyCanuck]

Hey ho! You won't mind if I copy bits of your PM here so I can talk about it. (Same as you were reading the thread while writing in a PM. I'm lucky, I work on two monitors.)

You seem to have unravelled the mystery about the Hawkins/Heaton family.  I appreciate all you have done, with the confusing and unreliable information we have been led to believe.  Just to answer your questions, altho' this probably won't have any bearing now:
I have a copy of Annie's marriage cert from parish records.  Her father was stated very clearly as Ralph Hawkins, farmer. Info from daughters have said he was from Birr.

Hooray! I haven't unravelled a good mystery in a while now so phew, that feels good.

Father Ralph Hawkins ... I think that is going to be one of those "just one of those things" things. Possibly if she was claiming to be widowed, she had to come up with a name for her father that didn't match her own.


The letter I have (1894 from Mary Allport (nee Elizabeth Mary Knight) to Annie about her father just names him as Ralph, no mention of where he died 'it is hard his dying away but you know our doctor here said his life was impossible to be lived here in England'. Hold on, have just re read the last bit of the letter. 'I myself am seriously thinking of going to Australia' (which is where her son Roland was)  So Ralph prob went to Australia.

Well there we are -- I almost didn't bother mentioning that aunt Sarah Knight was living with her Allport daughter in later censuses, but there is another clincher on the Sarah Hawkins living with her in 1851. I wonder what medical reason there might have been for emigrating.

1894 is the date of the death in NSW Australia that I posted above. The certificate could tell you useful things, if, of course, the person who registered the death had the necessary info. Aussie certificates name parents, children ... and are expensive. A transcription service will get you the same info for half the cost.


There is also another letter to Ralph, again from Mary Allport. No envelopes, so no surname. (letters are very old and in pieces) Mary makes a comment about Jamison, Annie's uncle who Annie begged Mary to settle Jamison's debts (£8!) 'He was so abominably rude to me all those years ago that I left him to himself.'

Robert Knight (married to Sarah Bishop) was Mary Knight Allport's father.
Jenny Knight (married to Henry Hawkins) was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's mother.
So Sarah Hawkins Heaton and Mary Knight Allport were first cousins -- Sarah's mother and Mary's father were siblings.
Mary Knight Allport was Annie Heaton's first cousin once removed -- she was a generation older than Annie.

Jamison was Annie's mother Sarah's brother-in-law -- he was married to Elizabeth Hawkins who was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's older sister. So he was Annie's uncle by marriage. He was not actually a direction relation of Mary Knight Allport -- he was her father's sister's son-in-law -- if I haven't boggled myself completely! Here is where a tree does come in handy.


In another letter to Annie she makes this comment 'What good did I do putting down money such as no-one else had, but your mother, whom I loved dearly and who was not gifted with your uncle's nasty temper' Is she talking about Jamison again?

Annie's mother Sarah Hawkins Heaton was Mary Knight Allport's first cousin.
Philip Robert Jamison was Sarah Hawkins Heaton's brother-in-law, i.e. Annie's uncle by marriage.
So yes, that would be Jamison she is talking about.

How I wish we had had this info to start with!!!

 
In answer to your other questions:  I still haven't found any records of Annie, 1871,1881.

Check back -- I found them in 1871 as Eaton.


oops, over limit, cont'd

[JaneyCanuck]

Passed down info from daughters about her working in hotel in 1881 but no census. Of course, I was looking for an Annie Hawkins! Just looked again
Annie Heaton c1864 servant Mile end town, Tower hamlets (b place St G in the East)- not quite the Ritz! Seem to remember the hotel was called Orleans House, not sure.  Ok will check

That was one of a couple I'd looked at, and I suspect that is her.

There is an Orleans House private residence in St Mary Islington in 1881 where there is a domestic servant. The occupants are four unmarried siblings, the brothers being a solicitor and an architect. There is also an Orleans V(?) in Putney with similar occupants, a surgeon dentist and his unmarried sisters and domestic servants. And another Orleans House in St Mary Islington, occupied by a corn merchant and his family but no servants.

If you can't catch 'em in censuses, you will probably never know what they were doing. I am fairly certain of my great-aunt's father's surname (it was her middle name, a common custom, and we have the family knowledge of what her mother said), but because she was born in 1890, I am left guessing which household of that surname in or near Nottingham my gr-grmother was working in as a domestic servant the year before, 8 years after the previous census. (On the other hand, and in another line, I had the enormous and amazing luck of finding my gr-grfather's sister -- after figuring out who my gr-grfather was, which is a huge and epic tale in itself -- at the age of 16 in 1871 identified as an actress in apparently the one season she was on the stage in London, which led to all sorts of findings on line, including a picture of her in a photographic archive!)


Charles could be the same as my great-aunt -- born to a domestic servant mother just before a census.

Charles Heaton.  No nearer to knowing who his mother was.

Yeah, eh?

Sarah Hawkins Heaton was really just too old.
He could have been the son of Annie Heaton when she was 17ish, or her older sister Elizabeth Mary ...
And it helps not at all that he gave two completely different birthdates in the Canadian censuses.
But have you looked at his marriage record in the Drouin collection at Ancestry? I think you really need to do that if not, to see whether it does have any parent info.

Since Hamilton claimed Annie as his aunt, I am thinking maybe her sister Elizabeth Mary was Charles's mother, making Annie the great-aunt of Hamilton.


Anyhow, I am tending toward "John Richard Heaton" being John Richard Taylor -- the grain of truth in the fib being the given names, with the surname altered to conceal the fact that she was not married to him.

Charles Heaton .......... a mystery remaining for another day. But I keep forgetting that this is all for a friend and not yourself -- so this at least should start to fill in those missing links on her own family tree!