burial records in Walsall England

[carol8353]

Same process for Eileen and husband, i.e. children of Haydon-Pinches:  John E Haydon 1942 and Paul M Haydon 1944, both Walsall.  Paul M died 1945 Birmingham?

I hadn't really taken this onboard till now WOW !!!

If the 1945 child died- that may have been why she went to USA?

And is still puts her in Walsall in 1945 too.

He would only be a half brother to you Dickens.
You woudn't have the same father. More proof is needed with certs to confimr all this.
All electoral rolls in Walsall up to 1939 (non taken during the war)

[lizdb]

Liz you're right that the evidence is pointing to her being a Pinches.  If she had two children and one died early she may have just run, but I can't see her leaving one behind.  She was a fabulous mother.  When did Gertrude and James Pinches die?

See replies #10 and 11

[dickensfan56]

Any divorce records on her?  I guess I may also be illegitimate too.  If I have a half brother I want to find him.  I'm an only child.

[jim1]

If she was still married it might explain why she listed her parents as Haydon & not Pinches as this would muddy the waters enough to be untraceable (not that the US would be particularly bothered to check) but it was a plausible explanation as to why she immigrated as Haydon.
The similarities between the Pinches & Haydons can't be ignored but there are 2 contradictions; one being that the Pinches had 4 children & James Pinches was a bridle maker at least in 1911.
Re. divorce records. My understanding is that they are only kept for 30 years but I'm willing to be corrected.

[carol8353]

Dickensfan,

I am going to send you a PM,as we are getting into the realms of living people here and I have some more up to date info for you.

Carol

[weste]

I must admit that I had looked and noticed the pinches. I too wondered whether her name is from the family she stayed with etc. Certainly all looks interesting. In respect to the cemeteries, I would say ryecroft is very likely. Once you get something to check then I could check at Walsall archives for you. There is St Matthews church at Walsall and also queens street had a cemetery. There is rushall st michaels if the area to look is willows road as not far away. Can't remember if st marys on the mount has a burial ground but can check.

[carol8353]

Well Dickensfan and I have been in PM contact. She agrees that we may well have brought the family right up to date,with an address no less.

I suggested that she gets some certs to confirm all our findings of today.
If it were me I'd want to get as many as poss to be 100% sure.

So what does anyone else think?

I'd get the 1921 birth cert to confirm her DOB.
Eileen W Pinches, Sep1921, Walsall ref 6b 1441

Then if that's correct, the 1941 marriage one to Edward J Haydon.

Sep 1941 Walsall ref 6b 1947
Eileen M Pinches / Edward J Haydon

Then the 1942 birth one- won't mention it here, he IS still alive.
I believe he married in 1964 too in the Walsall area.
I will PM you what references to use later,once we're sure we're on the right track.

Dickensfan ,make sure you use the GRO website to order the certs ,they only cost £9-25 and they post to USA for that.

Regards

Carol

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

[lizdb]

Certainly before making contact with the person still alive, I would get their birth cert - to confirm their mother is also Eileen Winifred.  If it turns out his mother is some other Pinches person, then we are on a wrong track, and it could be embarrassing if Dickensfan claimed to be a long lost half sibling.

I would also be keen to see Eileens mariage cert in USA - to see if she said she was single / widowed / divorced. And what name (and most importantly surname) she gave for her father.

I would also be quite keen to see if Edward Haydon ever remarried.

Just a few thoughts.  But most are on the assumption we are on the right track.

Other certs will be interesting, but it is difficult to use them to prove anything. Hopefully they all fit Eileen Pinches, but wont prove that the lady in USA called Eileen Haydon was born as Eileen Pinches.
The 1921 birth cert for Eileen Pinches, if it gives her exact dob as 6th July, it will add just more circumstantial evidence - but not prove the scenario. I would say that is worth getting - as that datemight just be one co-incidence too many if it does match!
If she is totally upfront on her USA marriage cert (naming father as James Pinches, and saying she had previously been married), then that would prove the scenario that we have put together, that the evidence seems to point to.

[weste]

Carol those are the certs I would recommend. If we could limit the area to search I could do some looking up. Unfortunately I don't think you can tell church or reg office stuff for Walsall  yet unlike some of the bmd sites. I have to go to either Walsall or Stafford at some point as i'm working on an enquiry for the family history society I belong to. I think we'll all be interested in the outcome of this one. Looked on staffs inscriptions cd but the pinches name we've been considering are n't the ones. The ryecroft cem records are at Walsall archives. I've got a catholic rel buried there in the non conformist bit.

lizdb like you say that marriage cert might be interesting.