Naturalization

[Pabloabadul]

Hi
How long would a naturalization take for someone in the 1860/70 period. Someone called Heinrich Müller born in Prussia in 1853, he was in England by 1879 when he got married and was put down on the census as a British subject. How long would you have had to have been in the country to be naturalized as I have found a naturalization record for 1864 Heinrich Müller born Prussia I don`t know whether this would be the right record considering the records only go up to 1871 there is an eight year gap between the marriage?
any help much appreciated
thanks
c.b

[aghadowey]

Perhaps someone will be able to confirm this but I think it's unlikely an 11 year old would be listed in a record of naturalisation unless in the file/documentation of his father.

[Pabloabadul]

how would I get a record of naturaliz for the 1870`s or 80`s

[davidft]

You can download that one by following this link (cost £3.36)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7313655

If you go to nationalarchives.gov.uk and search on naturalisation it will tell you what records they have, what periods you can search for and what periods you have to ask them to search for

[jorose]

Being listed as a British subject on a census is not proof that he naturalised. Recording of naturalisation status in censuses is known to be often inaccurate and there are any number of census records that turn up for people's relatives claiming "British Subject" for whom no trace of any naturalisation can be found.  This is particularly the case for people in the 1800s from humbler backgrounds - there was little benefit for them to naturalise, it cost money and required a significant amount of paperwork.

This doesn't mean he lied - it's just that the enumerators certainly weren't checking paperwork and may have made mistakes, people might have misunderstood the question, etc.

If he did naturalise, it should be indexed on the catalogue (could be under Henry/Harry etc. if he went by either of those).  The 1864 is almost certainly unrelated unless his father was also Heinrich and he was the one who went through naturalisation.   I believe the residence requirement was 5 years.

Was he on multiple censuses as British Subject? (and was he ever listed as naturalised British Subject?).

[Pabloabadul]

on the 1911 census it says naturalized British subject and has a red number on the right side of this 928 and 130 underneath does this mean anything? In 1901 it says British subject and in 1891 it doesn`t say anything about being naturalized or being a British subject
His father was called john/johannes muller don`t know whether he came to england

[MargP]

You can download that one by following this link (cost £3.36)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7313655

If you go to nationalarchives.gov.uk and search on naturalisation it will tell you what records they have, what periods you can search for and what periods you have to ask them to search for

Hi, for 3.36 I think you only option is to send for this record, then it can be discounted if it is not him

[Pabloabadul]

Thanks margp
At that age would his father be with him because I am trying to find a naturalization for his father john/Johannes muller and a record from 1862 came up of a Johann Frederic Müller possible. what do you think would they be naturalized at the same time?

[MargP]

Thanks margp
At that age would his father be with him because I am trying to find a naturalization for his father john/Johannes muller and a record from 1862 came up of a Johann Frederic Müller possible. what do you think would they be naturalized at the same time?

Hi, so you have one for the Johann in 1862 and one for Heinrich in 1864, I am not sure what are on these records, I should imagine there would be, dob and where they lived, but  the only way you will know, is to send for both records