Naturalization

[aghadowey]

Previous topics for Heinrich Muller-
Heinrich muller help required (Europe)
Heinrich muller (Beginners) - not clear exactly what father's name was
Mariner records (Occupation Interests)

[jorose]

Since the earliest record you have of Heinrich/Henry is at his marriage in 1879, I do not recommend sending away for 1860s naturalisation records; the surname is relatively common and the chances that any of these records relate to him is slim to nil.

If his father was in the country with him as a child and naturalised, he would not be listed on any naturalisation indexes - he would just have taken on his father's status (it is always that of the father at this time period), although he may be listed on the documents themselves.

However, I do not think his father was with him.  Let's look at the facts: in 1879 he was a mariner who married in Liverpool; he later became a dock worker.  There's no earlier trace of him in the country and from the other threads, the witnesses do not appear to be his relatives.   The most likely explanation is that, like many other mariners, he was working aboard ship, met a nice English girl, and decided to settle down.

As to naturalisation, it sounds like it may have taken place between 1891-1911, but it's possible a later record will turn up. If he used other versions of his name, it could be listed under those (e.g. Henry Muller/Miller if that's what he usually went by).

[Pabloabadul]

I have looked at national archives website and cannot find out how to send for the naturalization records for this period any tips

[MargP]

You can download that one by following this link (cost £3.36)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7313655

If you go to nationalarchives.gov.uk and search on naturalisation it will tell you what records they have, what periods you can search for and what periods you have to ask them to search for

If you click on this link, its all there for you just add to basket and pay

[Pabloabadul]

I have looked through the database showing the not online records for the period of 1871+ and no direct match. The 1864 record is the only match

[Pabloabadul]

On the 1911 census it does not say the year of the naturalization. It only says naturalized British subject with the number 928 on the right and 130 on the left is this for definite that he has been naturalized.
Is it possible that he was naturalized in 1864 left with people and came back while being a mariner would explain why we can`t find him on the 1871 census

[jorose]

It is entirely possible he did not naturalise and the census is wrong, or otherwise he is listed under some spelling variant.  There are many, many, cases like this.  (The numbers are probably something to do with the enumerator later tallying things up - they often made marks on the forms). They would not have asked for proof of the information he put down - if it was indeed him who gave the information and not another member of the family or a helpful neighbour.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/088c/   

In the case of those born abroad, however, it is difficult to say how accurate the returns are. In the Victorian period it was generally believed by the leading officials responsible for census taking in General Register Office that people did not understand the instructions relating to naturalisation (Census of England and Wales, 1891, Vol. IV General Report, 64).

An 11 year old boy does not just turn up in the UK and naturalise in 1864, then disappear again and not emerge until marrying 15 years later.  I can't see how that record could possibly relate to him.

[JenB]

on the 1911 census it says naturalized British subject and has a red number on the right side of this 928 and 130 underneath does this mean anything?

The numbers 928 and 130 have almost certainly been added later by someone extracting information from the census for statistical purposes.

Both the numbers relate to birthplaces, as they have been stated on the census by the person filling in the form.

928 is the code for 'Germany Naturalised British Subjects Residents'
130 is the code number for Gloucestershire.

Here is the full list of codes http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&128

[MargP]

Hi

This from NA

Census records (1841-1911)

England and Wales from 1841 to 1911
Note that many people called themselves naturalised British subjects in the census when they were not.

It also states, that it was extremely expensive, and it was usually  used by The Royalty