Philip and Sarah Ann Hill

[newbiejoan]

Trying to find details of Philip and Sarah Ann Anns birth.  All I can find of Sarah is she was born circa 1820 possibly nee Entwistle in Manchester area.  Of Philip I can find no birth record. Can anyone look up this for me please.  I'm finding it harder to trace the female line of my family and find my gran's old tales dont match up to reality! Who were their parents, I believe they may have settled in the Tyldsley area of Lancs.   

[jomcd967]

There is a Phillip Hall and Sarah Ann Eastwood marrying in 1850 in Manchester? Do you have Phillip and Sarah in a census to give us more details, POB, Occ, YOB, etc?

Jo 

[newbiejoan]

I can find them in the 1841 census with daughter Charlotte who I believe may be my gggrandmother.  There are two philip Hill in 1851 census but this may be son as a sister is living with him  They both seemed to be book-keepers.  I believe that Sarah may have left Philip at some point (according to gran again). Charlotte married William Wallwork and I can find her ok but her moter and fathers history is proving difficult. Am doing this to stay occupied having recently recovered from heart probs,but it is getting frustrating if interesting.  Grateful for any info regarding these two elusive people

[jomcd967]

Are you sure you haven't skipped a generation?
Phillip Hill, bachelor of this parish, bookkeeper, married Sarah Ann Barber, spinster, married by licence 10 Feb 1828, St Mary's Manchester, both signed, witnessed by Wm Lee & Thomas Clark.

Their children's baptisms at Collegiate Manchester:
Mary Ann 17 Fen 1834
Sarah Ann 21 Aug 1836

Martha 4 Mar 1844 @ Ancoats, Lancashire

Marriage 28 Sept 1850 St George Tyldesley Lancashire, James Entwistle, full age, bachelor of Elliot Street, father William Entwistle, weaver to Elizabeth Hill, full age, spinster, of Lime Street, father Phillip Hill, bookkeeper. Witnesses William Entwistle & Mary Hill.

Jo 

[newbiejoan]

I definitely have a Charlotte Hil so its possible she wasmarried by 1851. This Philip  could be who i am looking for.  Is there any info on Sarah Ann's mother at all?l I willget over to the church one day and scout out the area too.  Many thanks

[heywood]

Hello,

1851 2205/458/23

Lime Street Tyldesley

Sarah Hill 42 yrs
Charlotte 19 yrs
Mary 17 yrs
Sarah 14 yrs
Philip 12yrs

All born Manchester

These match 1841 but no Elizabeth in 1841 ( re 1850 marriage mentioned)
Regards
Heywood

[heywood]

Are you sure you haven't skipped a generation?
Phillip Hill, bachelor of this parish, bookkeeper, married Sarah Ann Barber, spinster, married by licence 10 Feb 1828, St Mary's Manchester, both signed, witnessed by Wm Lee & Thomas Clark.

Their children's baptisms at Collegiate Manchester:
Mary Ann 17 Fen 1834
Sarah Ann 21 Aug 1836

Martha 4 Mar 1844 @ Ancoats, Lancashire

Marriage 28 Sept 1850 St George Tyldesley Lancashire, James Entwistle, full age, bachelor of Elliot Street, father William Entwistle, weaver to Elizabeth Hill, full age, spinster, of Lime Street, father Phillip Hill, bookkeeper. Witnesses William Entwistle & Mary Hill.

Jo 

There is a birth for Martha Hill Free BMD 1841 and a death March quarter 1844. Perhaps she was baptised because of illness 
If you think this family is correct, Martha's birth certificate will confirm her mother's name.
Sarah Ann Barber does look vey possible.
In 1861 Sarah Ann still says she is married and Elizabeth Entwistle widowed daughter  is with her.
No sign of Philip, book keeper in 1851 and 1861 
Heywood

[jomcd967]

Elizabeth bap 9 May 1830, d/o Phillip (bookkeeper) & Sarah of Manchester and then Charlotte bap 2 Oct 1831, ditto

Jo 

[jomcd967]

There is a Sarah Ann Barber d/o James & Elizabeth bap Cathedral Manchester 21 Dec 1806 and then an Elizabeth Hill, age 12 on the 1841 census with a James Barber 70, Elizabeth Barber 41 & Mary Barber 30. This is possibly Sarah Ann's father & sisters.

Jo