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how do I find the right birth?
« on: Monday 12 July 04 01:40 BST (UK) »
I'm having difficulty trying to find my grandfather's birth, his name is George Holmes, he died 20 December 1967 aged 72 in Hull, he was married 14 December 1918 in Hull.   His marriage certificate gives his father as Thomas Henry Holmes (a labourer). 

Supposedly George's mother was called Annie.  I've tried using the 1901 census but have had no luck in matching all the names, the main problem being I don't know where George was born.  I have found several Georges born in Hull but how do I decide which might be the right one?

 
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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 July 04 11:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Bee
         As you say there are a good few Georges in and around Hull on the 1901, I think that it would be safe to assume because you can prove he spent 80% of his life in Hull that he would have been born in the district, did your g/father have any other names apart from George and did he have any brothers or sisters.
look forward to your reply

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 July 04 20:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,
The names I've got for George's brother & sisters are - Bob, Charlie, Henry, Kate, Florrie, Maggie, Ada & William.  These names were given to me by George's son, but I have no proof that they are correct or in the right order. Any help or ideas would be most appreciated, or I'll just have to wait another 6 years til the 1910 census is published. :)

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 July 04 10:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Bee
           Looking at the births in Hull for 1894-1896 there are 3 possibles, only 2 of the three have a father named Thomas and both have a brother named Robert, only one has a mother named Ann, so I have scanned the 1901 census details below.
This Thomas was born 1st qtr 1894. The other children you mentioned could have been born after 1901
If you want to see the others please let me know.

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 July 04 22:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the 1901 details, I would be interested to see the details fo the other George's.

Many thanks for your interest and help.

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 July 04 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Bee
          This is the scan of the other George with a father Thomas Holmes
Whether any of them are the right ones or not as you say you may only prove when the 1911 comes out and you see the other siblings.

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 July 04 05:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,
             I quite like the look of the last scan even though the mother is not called Annie (I have no actual proof that she was).   I might invest in a birth certificate though it might not prove anything. 

Thanks for your time
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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 July 04 09:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Bee
         You could also check on the GRO MBD index for the sibling births you mentioned at your nearest County Library or some of the larger ones also may have the index, this may give you a better idea as to whether your in the right area. If you want to spend a few bob then you can do it online at this link
            https://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/index.html

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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright<br />www.NationalArchives.gov.uk <br />Cheshire BMD  www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ <br />Cheshire Wills database http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recordoffice/wills/Search.htm<br />Cheshire family history society  www.fhsc.org.uk/<br />Cheshire Records Office http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/aboutus/recoffcontact.tm<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Bennett/,Whaley,Chesh/Lancs, Brindley Staffs

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Re: how do I find the right birth?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 July 04 21:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,
             I hadn't thought about trying to check his siblings births.  The county library, though not far, is a bit awkward to get to but I have a few credits left on 1837 online so I'll give that a try.
Thanks for the idea.

Bee
Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes,  Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker,  in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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