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Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:18 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

Hope someone can help with this!

My 3x gt uncle George Phillips is missing on the 1871 Census, I cannot find him at all!

George was born in 1844 in Nutfield in Surrey to parents William & Sarah Phillips. He married Emma Gosden on 21st October 1866 in Croydon, Surrey. I cannot find Emma in 1871 or after either!

He is still in Nutfield on the 1851 & 1861 Censuses aged 7 & 17 respectively. In 1881 however he is a Bricklayer boarding alone with a family by the name of Driver in Feltwell, Norfolk (RG11/2010/83/13)

He apparently dies back in Croydon in 1890 aged 46. (June Qtr 1890, Croydon, Vol 2a Page 145)

Various family trees on Mundia have George's wife as an Emily born Hanworth, Middlesex in 1845. But I am not sure about this. There are 2 possible death records for one thing, An Emily age 76 in Croydon reg district in 1920 & an Emma age 84 in 1930 also in Croydon reg district.

I do not know where Emma was born although the marriage record on familysearch shows her as age 21, therefore born 1844/45, but hope that she & George are together in 1871 wherever they are!

I very much hope that someone can help me with this as I can't help feeling that the 1871 is key to sorting this out!

Apologies for the length of this, but wanted to avoid anyone doing any unnecessary research & therefore wasting valuable time. I have done as much research as I can before posting.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

David
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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

Cant find him in census but here are full marriage details

21 Oct. 1866 Croydon Parish Church (St. John)

George Phillips  22 bach  bricklayer  of Croydon  Father: William Phillips~labourer
Emma Gosden 21 spin.                           "            "   : Allen Gosden~labourer

He signed with X, she signed.
Witnesses: Henry and Ann Simmons (both signed)

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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Claire,

Many thanks for the marriage details, very much appreciated.

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David
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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:47 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is also this christening

James Arthur Phillips chr. 7 July 1867, parents: George and Emma. Fathers Occ: Bricklayer. Abode: Queens Road

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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:49 BST (UK) »
This one might be worth looking at

1871 Piece: 845 Folio: 25 Page: 41   
Queen's Road, Croydon

  George Phillips          Head          26   Bricklayer    Hanworth Middlesex   
  Emily Phillips           Wife          26          Nutfield Surrey       
  James A Phillips    Son          4          Croydon Surrey       
  Florence Phillips    Daughter       2          Croydon Surrey

Just seen claire's post - does look like them, I wonder if the POBs have got mixed up.
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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:52 BST (UK) »
Address in census is the same as christening, definitely them

Croydon:  23 Queens Road

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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 12:57 BST (UK) »
Mmmm

Definitely a busy family judging by 1881 census

Croydon

Emily Phillips mar 37        bn HANWORTH Middlesex
Florence 12
Thomas 11
Norman  8
George  4
Emily 2
Henrietta and Elizabeth 4 months

All children born Croydon

Class: RG11; Piece: 815; Folio: 34; Page: 19

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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 13:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

By 1891 census Emily is now EMMA

claire
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Re: Where is George Phillips in 1871?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Claire & Groom,

Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated!

Claire, that's great thankyou, this is one child not mentioned on the trees on Mundia. Thanks also re address detail confirmation on christening & Census. Yup definately a busy family. Hmmm, where therefore was son Thomas in 1871 & I wonder what happened to son James Arthur by 1881?

Groom, that does indeed look like them & definately worth looking at, just the birth places round the wrong way!

The trees on Mundia I mentioned earlier do show a Florence Phillips, daughter born 1869 so that would fit but apparently there was also a son Thomas born in 1870.

So did Emma become Emily sometime between 1867 & 1871? Looks like she chopped & changed between Emma & Emily!

Many thanks once again for your help, very much appreciated indeed!

Kind regards

David
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