Father of Thomas Smith born Hanslope, Northamptonshire, England

[:sjl]

I am looking for the Mother of the following person.

Thomas Smith.


I have found the information on his marriage and family, on numerous censuses.

I HAVE a copy of his Marriage certificate to Eliza Read and Thomas Smith  and it lists HIS father as Thomas Smith,

HOWEVER, when I look at the census for 1841 I can find a Thomas Smith living with a Mary Smith in Hanslope, Northamptonshire,

but when you bring up the census, you know how they give you other possible suggestions as to other sources of info on that person, eg. other census years, marriages, births, deaths.

Well the suggestion for Mary suggests that she was Mary Mills, and IF that is correct it states that she married a William SMITH....

so this would be the WRONG family.

anybody able to check this out for me....?

{just for the record I WON'T be ordering any marriage certificates or birth certificates to try and confirm this...]

I have posted this message on Northamptonshire rootschat and they suggested I should be posting here....not quite sure WHY as I was assuming that the person I was looking for was living in the Northamptonshire county???  But doing my do diligence......


So my hope would be that there is someone that lives in the area that is willing to do a personal lookup for me.

[if this is asking too much, I appreciate you taking the time to read this request]

[not exactly sure what the parameters are for the help one can expect from requesting a lookup.]

Sincerely,

Sharon Lamb

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Husband: Thomas [ii] * SMITH (ref #9754) looking for HIS PARENTS - f: is Thomas Smith - mother is ??

Born: Abt. 1817 in: Hanslope, Northamptonshire, England

Source: 1851 England Census -cm

Married: Apr 1842 in: Wicken, Potterspury, Northamptonshire, England

Source: ancestry.co.uk-cm - copy of original marriage certificate

Died: Bef. 1917 in: possibly England

Father of Thomas Smith is Thomas SMITH .....need his mother's name


Wife: Eliza/Elizabeth [ii] * READ (ref #9755)
Born: Bef. 30 May 1819 in: Wicken , Northamptonshire, England
Source: igi no copy made

Died: Jan 1895 in: Potterspury, Northamptonshire, England [not sure if this is correct]

Father: George [iii] * READ
Mother: Mary * WALTERS

CHILDREN

1 Name: Joseph [iii] * SMITH (ref #9747) my husband's direct ancestor

Born: Bef. 16 Oct 1842 in: Wicken, Northamptonshire, Eng.
Died: Abt. Jul 1899 in: Wicken/Potterspury, Northhamptonshire, Eng.

Source: info from ancestry - cm

Married: Apr 1866 in: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Source: ancestry.com - cm

from the 1851 and 1861 he never lived with his parents, in 1851 he lived with his maternal grandparents, and 1861 he was living with the family where he was an apprentice.

Spouse: Louisa * WARNER

2 Name: George SMITH (ref #12996)

Born: Abt. 1846 in: Potterspury, Northhamptonshire, Eng.
Died: Bef. 1946 in: possibly England

3 Name: John SMITH (ref #12995)
Born: Abt. 1850 in: Lillingstone, Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1950 in: possibly England

4 Name: Job SMITH (ref #12994)
Born: Abt. 1851 in: Lillingstone, Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1951 in: possibly England

5 Name: Ann SMITH (ref #13004)
Born: Abt. 1853 in: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1953 in: possibly England

6 Name: William SMITH (ref #13005)
Born: Abt. 1854 in: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1954 in: possibly England

7 Name: Henry SMITH (ref #13006)
Born: Abt. 1856 in: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1956 in: possibly England

8 Name: Phoebe C. SMITH (ref #13007)
Born: Abt. 1861 in: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: Bef. 1961 in: possibly England

[seahall]

Hi All.

Just linking the 2 topics so we are aware of both. 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wgf/

Sandy

[:sjl]

Thanks Sandy

not sure how you did that but appreciate you doing it

does this mean if I get a response for either one, that I will know about it?

sorry REALLY NOT SURE how this site works....

haven't had a chance to look at the other link you provided but it looks really interesting....fingers crossed I will find something there.

will try to remember to keep you posted, if I forget and you are interested please ask....

Sharon

[..claire..]

Hi

There is this site for everything about Hanslope

http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/hdhs/index.html

In the box at the top that says " photographs   people   buildings   sources " click on people to check the registers

claire

Can't find a Thomas Smith bn c1817 with father Thomas, but the marriage of William Smith and Mary Mills is there.

claire

[:sjl]

Thanks Claire.

the problem is that it states on HIS marriage certificate that his father's name is THOMAS.

I found the 1841 Census with A thomas Smith on it, in the family with Mary Smith [nee MILLS] as the parent....a widow.

but when you look at WHO Mary Smith had married it was a WILLIAM Smith.....

so therefore it DOESN'T APPEAR to be the correct family.

I am working through the site and not finding anything that matches....

just looked at the page again and don't even see that any of the folks listed on the 1841 census page with Mary Smith are listed as being a child of Thomas..

okay now I am confusing myself even more,

I found Thomas Smith born 1817 in Hanslope, living in Lillingstone Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, on the page.
but THAT is it.

I was looking at the other folks that were listed on the 1841 Census for Mary Smith as being her CHILDREN

the Thomas Smith listed there is on the page for Hanslope
it shows him born in 1819  parents William and Mary
married to                                     Mary Smith on several censuses

so if nothing else it seems it proves that the Thomas Smith we thought MIGHT be the one I am looking for, that is listed on the 1841 Census...is NOT the correct one.

so still looking.

now I am thinking he WASN'T living in Hanslope, in 1841.......

scratching my head trying to think NOW where I am should be looking...in Lillingstone Dayrell...or possibly Wicken since that is where his wife lived???

any suggestions?

Hope this makes sense......

thanks for you help.

Sharon

[seahall]

Morning Sharon.

Roots went down for an hour and I went to bed, so I couldn't answer your reply last night. 

Yes you will get notifications on all topics that you post on Roots.

Looks like you have had replies and replied to another couple of Rootschatters.

The link I gave was for Hanslope that is mentioned above.

Sandy

[seahall]

I think maybe one area to look at is the occupations that Thomas noted on the cenuses.
He is a noted as 1851 Farmer of 19 Acres, 1861 Labourer, 1871 Labourer, 1881 Ag Lab.

Therefore did he come into some money on his father's death?

Also his father was a gamekeeper therefore did he come from an area further away
from Northants or Bucks.

Thomas said on the marriage certificate that he was in Leckhamstead at the time of marriage
so has he been looked for there in 1841.

Censuses were not a document to clarify details of folks places of birth as they were often
in-accurate, like in Eliza and children being born in Wicken, not Potterspury.

Also as families moved around often a child may have thought its place of birth as the village
he was living, yet the family had moved there whilst he was young.

Sandy

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Sandy

Just to avoid too much duplication of effort, Sharon's also running parallel threads at
http://genforum.genealogy.com/englandcountry/messages/155734.html  and
http://genforum.genealogy.com/englandcountry/messages/155684.html

I'm happy to leave it to you from now on in!

I was the one who suggested that Sharon had sent herself, not everyone else, on a wild goose chase!

Kind regards

David

[seahall]

Hi David.

Nice to hear from you. 

Thanks for putting the other links.

I will nip over and have a look.

Sandy

EDITED: Just one of many Rootschatters always willing to help where I can.

Just like you David.