Hi there,
I apologise if you find my post somewhat too direct, however your posts are becoming very confusing for me.
I am not able to follow how you have formed the view that your Thomas McCarthy was the son of John McCarthy and Mary Quin.
You see,
when you write
“As you know, Thomas was the youngest son of John and Mary and was born in Kilmore, Victoria on 08 June 1858” errrr ..... ummmmm ...... errrrr
I actually do NOT know any of that information.
I have actually discreetly attempted more than once to question if that would be the correct birth cert for YOUR Thomas.
Please re-read the thread.
So, my direct questions are
Q 1 ….
Do you have the marriage cert for your Thomas. If so, would you please carefully transcribe that certificate, paying particular attention to how the clergyman recorded the details that Thomas provided to that clergyman when being interviewed prior to the marriage.
I am looking for the
information as recorded on that mc. At the moment, I am not concerned with any information you have sourced from any other document or collaboration.
So from Thomas’ marriage certificate, (no where else, just that cert) what information is recorded for
a) The BDM reference no. for the cert.
b) Date of the marriage ceremony
c) Place where the ceremony was conducted
d) Thomas’ full names and surname
e) Thomas’ conjugal condition (bachelor/widower/divorcee)
f) Thomas’ birth place
g) Thomas’ occupation
h) Thomas’ age
i) Thomas’ usual place of residence
j) Thomas’ father’s names
k) Thomas’ father’s occupation
l) Thomas’ mother’s names
m) Thomas’ mother’s former and/or maiden names
n) Thomas’ bride’s full names and surname
o) Thomas’ bride’s conjugal condition (spinster/widow/divorcee)
p) Thomas’ bride’s birth place
q) Thomas’ bride’s occupation
r) Thomas’ bride’s age
s) Thomas’ bride’s usual place of residence
t) Thomas’ bride’s father’s names
u) Thomas’ bride’s father’s occupation
v) Thomas’ bride’s mother’s names
w) Thomas’ bride’s mother’s former/and or maiden names
x) The denomination
y) The name of the clergyman
z) The name of the witnesses
aa) If I missed anything, please transcribe that also.
And Q 2 …..
you have a birth certificate for a chap named Thomas McCarthy and it has that chap’s parents as John McCARTHY and Mary Quin INGRAM as per your pdf. You are now mentioning that this cert has been amended. My question is another series of sub-questions about that birth certificate
a) Who amended it
b) When was it amended
c)
Is the copy you hold, one you purchased directly from Victoria BDM or is it one that has been shared around any thus is it possible that the amendment is actually NOT an authorised change approved by both the parents to that baby whose birth was registered in 1858? d) Date of birth (as recorded on the document)
e) Place of birth (yep, all the following is as recorded on the document)
f) Name of the father of the baby
g) Name of the mother of the baby, including former and/or maiden names
h) Father’s occupation
i) Mother’s occupation
j) Father’s age
k) Mother’s age
l) Date and Place of the marriage of those parents
m) Previous children of that marriage, noting living or deceased
n) Was the baby presented to the registrar when the birth was being registered (present or not present)
o) Who was the informant, what was their address, and their description (relationship to the baby !)
p) Did the informant sign or make their X mark
q) Who were the witnesses
r) When was the birth registered and where was it registered
s) If I missed anything, please transcribe that too
Many Cheers, JM (We reside at Nords Wharf, NSW, yes there are bush fires around. We self evacuated at around 2am this morning, we are safe with relatives in a nearby suburb)
