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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 07:40 BST (UK) »
Genuki page for St Lawrence's Fintona: http://www.genuki.eu/TYR/Church1.htm

"PRONI:
Registers of Baptisms 1857-1881 and Marriages 1857-1880."



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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 07:50 BST (UK) »
Griffiths Valuation for Aghafad (circa 1860) lists Patrick Carr and Patrick Mellon as tenants of Charles Eccles. Patrick Carr appears to be a joint tenant with Michael McCosker. Patrick Mellon is joint tenant with James Mellon.
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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 12:09 BST (UK) »
Genuki page for St Lawrence's Fintona: http://www.genuki.eu/TYR/Church1.htm

"PRONI:
Registers of Baptisms 1857-1881 and Marriages 1857-1880."

That might cause difficulties for me identifying the mother (maiden name) of john kerr because he was born circa 1855 to 1858 meaning their marriage is gonna be before that! Is there any other method?

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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 08:27 BST (UK) »
Me and my mum both read that document again and we are still thinking that george phillips is a connection to john kerr despite the age. If it was george mc laughlins granda it would say george mc laughlins grand george phillips. But it says john kerr.

Plus there are two or three houses that john kerr owns with phillips as tenants.


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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 08:51 BST (UK) »
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we are still thinking that george phillips is a connection to john kerr despite the age.

but think about the timeline - how could that possibly be his grandfather?

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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 10:10 BST (UK) »
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we are still thinking that george phillips is a connection to john kerr despite the age.

You seem to be determined to connect George Phillips to your family but the known details don't support this in any way.

Going back to that newspaper article-
"George is a member of the local Archaeological and Historical Society, and his fellow historian, Richard Brennan, draws my attention to the public house just behind us. ... A man called John Kerr, who took over the local bar after the McIvor family, was the first person in the village to have a car, and was the proud owner of one of the first Fords ever produced, and yes, it was black. His grandfather George Phillips was the second man in the village to get himself some wheels, only he had a big Austin 12."

"His grandfather George Phillips" is the grandfather of George that is speaking about the area not the grandfather of John Kerr who he mentioned earlier in the same paragraph.

As Shaun says, the dates don't match up. John Kerr (according to 1911 census was born c1855).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glendermot/Ballyore/605273

John Kerr's grandfather could have been born c1800 or even a little earlier which makes it virtually impossible for him to have been "the second man in the village to get himself some wheels, only he had a big Austin 12" (a car which began being manufactured in 1921).
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 10:44 BST (UK) »
Reading on in that article (again it is George McLaughlin 's anecdote):

"Close to the McCloskeys lived the Mellons, and on the Damn Row lived George's uncles called George and Eddie Phillips, who were great friends with the Mellons"

http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/local-news/newbuildings-then-and-now-1-2094918
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 10:46 BST (UK) »
Have you seen this book, Owen? 
"In the Shadow of the Tail of the Fox"


http://www.fuls.org.uk/newbuildings/publications.html
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Re: Phillips of Londonderry
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 16 October 13 18:35 BST (UK) »
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we are still thinking that george phillips is a connection to john kerr despite the age.

but think about the timeline - how could that possibly be his grandfather?
Yea but i'm thinking there is a connection.