Thurleigh Parish Records

[bedfordshire boy]

Samuel Sabey was born 1 Feb 1793

I have a lot of Sabeys in my tree, but it's just struck me that this is the only Samuel. So unless Francis was from elsewhere he didn't name his eldest son after his father.

[bedfordshire boy]

I have been unable to find a marriage for Samuel Sabey to Elizabeth. Can you help please?

Nor have I. Neither in Beds nor in Hunts. Perhaps they married in Northants where you'd need a look up in Northants Marriage Index. Or perhaps they didn't marry at all, as I can't find a burial for Elizabeth either.

As an article on Genuki. 'If a new-born infant was sickly and thought unlikely to survive, its fate in Heaven required it to be baptised urgently. So any available clergyman was persuaded to attend the family home and baptise the child there, and hence the baptism was done "privately" and recorded as such. If the child recovered it would often be baptised publicly later and you may sometimes find "brought to church" with a date, added beside the original entry, or as a separate entry in the register'

Rather than a clergyman it was often the midwife who did the private baptism.

There is also a submitted entry for a second marriage for Samuel to Mary Dickins on 23 Mar 1829 Keysoe. Can you confirm this?

The transcripts only go up to 1812. Anything more recent than that you need to look at the parish register microfilm, which you can do at your nearest LDS Family History Centre

[bedfordshire boy]

Thinking out loud!

In my own database I have a number of Sabey families who are all standalone, so got missed when I uploaded my tree to Ancestry, and which I'm slowly adding, which gives me the chance to re-evaluate.

One of the families I've just added is Edward Sabey of Eaton Socon born c 1756 who married Mary Fisher in Godmanchester in 1778. I don't know where he was from. But he baptised a son, Francis, in 1785. After Francis born c 1760 he's the second Francis in my tree. Could Francis born c 1760 and Edward b c 1756 have been siblings. In fact you mentioned this possibility in reply #16, but for some reason I'd missed the baptism of Edward in Roxton in 1751. Revisiting the Roxton connection! Doesn't explain though why there's no baptism for Francis. Still dubious about Roxton though.

There's also a marriage of Edward Seabee in Hail Weston in 1741 who's also worth looking at. Hail Weston is only 5 miles across the fields from Bolnhurst. An Edward was baptised there in 1858.

David

[johnP-bedford]

Thanks very much John. This is very useful information. Do I assume you went to the Archives this morning? Not Kettering Archives!

David, I visited Bedford Archives Friday morning ..... interestingly I've seen those Hartop papers before ...  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=537571.20

John

[bedfordshire boy]

You've got a better memory than I have John. I'd forgotten all about that thread - which was an interesting one.

I've got so many Sabey families in my database, entered when trying to link them all together to "my" Colmworth Sabeys, that I have trouble remembering what I've done and what I haven't. And it hasn't helped that many of them being standalone, weren't picked up when I uploaded to Ancestry.

Brilliant day here, we're missing your hurricane

David

[johnP-bedford]

So in 1780 who I assume to be Sarah's brother William was a farmer in Keysoe. Still can't see what became of him though.

David I don't suppose you looked at the will of William Sabey, farmer of Colmworth ref 1782/55 at the same time you were looking at the will of John Sabey of Backnoe House, Bolnhurst - I expect not otherwise you'd have sussed it out!

I read it today... it first leaves all corn, grain, hay, implements, goods & chattels to my trusty friend Henry Peacock farmer of Ravensden to administrate as trustee.... for it to go to my brother James Sabey (who might still be a minor) remember John Sabey left the lot to oldest son William...

He also left to my nephews & nieces Thomas, John, James & Mary Hartop, children of my sister Sarah Hartop of Keysoe, widow, an amount that they get when they reach 21.

He then leaves 5 guineas to housekeeper Ann Maria Clark & 2 guineas to Henry Peacock to be sole executor & administrator.

Will dated 25 Oct 1782 & proved 30/11/1782 on oath of Henry Peacock; effects valued upwards from £100 but not exceeding £300.

This ties in with burial at Thurleigh of William Sabey from Colmworth on 1 Nov 1782

[bedfordshire boy]

You're right John, I didn't look at that will in the archives. I'm very grateful that you did though, as it ties up all the ends very nicely. And raises a couple more questions which I'll worry about in the morning!

Thanks very much for taking the trouble to look that one up.

David

[johnP-bedford]

So if William Sabey of Colmworth, son of John Sabey was buried at Thurleigh on 1 Nov 1782 where his will mentions no wife & children, he cannot be the William Saby of Bolnhurst who married Sarah Throssel of Thurleigh on 18 Nov 1785 at Thurleigh. Witnesses to the marriage were Edmund Ward (who gave surety for his marriage licence) & Edward Peacock. So who does this William belong to?

[johnP-bedford]

Sarah Saby a child buried 8 Nov 1752 St Dunstan Bolhurst

There is no burial at Bolnhurst of Sarah Saby on 8 Nov 1752 - where do you get that from?

Is there any information on the marriage licence? of  Joseph Sabey of Bolnhurst and Rebecca Fisher alias Hull of Colmworth 27 December 1814

Not much else, Joseph was labourer & bachelor & Rebecca was spinster. Witnesses were Campion Cornish & John Lovel.  Interestingly a Campion Cornish was witness at marriage of Thomas Byeway to Elizabeth Sabey at Bolnhust on 31 May 1801