Lomas in CelF

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

There are baptisms of John (22 Feb 1801) and William (11 Jul 1803), sons of John LOMAS of Combs.

Any idea who the father might be (spouse and ancestry)?

[CaroleW]

sons of John LOMAS

       

Any idea who the father might be

   

Strange that only fathers name is shown

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[Marmalady]

Many PRs at that time only gave the father's name

Lomas was (and still is) a very common name in the area -- so sorting out exactly which John Lomas was the father could be a difficult task!

[Marmalady]

have you seen : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/chapel_mem_insc.html

several Lomas MIs have been transcribed -- from a quick glance couldnt see any that fitted, but you might be lucky

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

have you seen : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/chapel_mem_insc.html

several Lomas MIs have been transcribed -- from a quick glance couldnt see any that fitted, but you might be lucky

There are, to be precise 18 headstones in Thomas Becket churchyard with John LOMAS inscribed. None helps. I have also been all over the parish registers and all it does is help exclude a couple of the John Lomases. The wills I have managed to see also help exclude a few Johns. But none helps me fix on a John LOMAS in Combs -he wasn't farming there at the time because he didn't appear in the Land Assessment List of 1800. Son John, baptised 1801, became a stone mason as did the grandsons so maybe John the father was a stone mason too.

[Derbysderek]

Hi...........of all the many Lomas entries in the Chapel en le frith PR's........there are countless John's.....but on the basis that the two children 1801 and 1803 were presumably born to married parents, the following are the only possibilities:-

John Lomas married Frances W Yates 07.05.1789
John Lomas married Sarah Lowe 05.06.1792
John Lomas married Ann Heckingbottam 01.01.1794.............and becasue they yended not to hang around in those days..the most likely is:-

John Lomas (farmer) married Hannah Green 02.07.1798

I have the complete Chapel records.........and many more.

Derek

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

...of all the many Lomas entries in the Chapel en le frith PR's... there are countless John's but on the basis that the two children 1801 and 1803 were presumably born to married parents, the following are the only possibilities:-

John Lomas married Frances W Yates 07.05.1789
John Lomas married Sarah Lowe 05.06.1792
John Lomas married Ann Heckingbottam 01.01.1794... and becasue they tended not to hang around in those days..the most likely is:-

John Lomas (farmer) married Hannah Green 02.07.1798...

John LOMAS and Hannah GREEN are an 'orphan' marriage -I haven't been able to identify the bride or groom, or what happened to them. It would be great if anybody could help with them, please.

I had relegated John and Hannah from the running because this John was a farmer and it seems that the nearest (to Combs) John LOMAS farming (in 1800) was old John LOMAS (1731-1815) of Cockyard from 1774 .

John

[Marmalady]

Cockyard is only a mile or so from the centre of Combs (it is the area around where the lane to Combs meets the main Whaley Bridge - CelF road - where the Hanging Gate pub is.)

It is perfectly feasible for someone who lives there to be described as "of Combs"

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Cockyard is only a mile or so from the centre of Combs (it is the area around where the lane to Combs meets the main Whaley Bridge - CelF road - where the Hanging Gate pub is.)

It is perfectly feasible for someone who lives there to be described as "of Combs"

When 'old John LOMAS' died in 1815, the burial register refers to him as 'of Cockyard' (his wife Olive was aged 66 years in 1801 so the couple are well out of the running as parents of John chr 1801! -they incidentally had a son John, born 1762 who was still alive in 1801).

The Thomas Becket registers of the time usually provided enough information for contemporaries to identify the family. John Lomas was a 'common' name in the area and for example, for the John LOMAS and his wife Hannah GREEN, we have christenings in 1805 'Isaac son of John & Hannah LOMAS' and in 1808 'Elizabeth dau of John & Hannah LOMAS of Horridge End'. The locations are precise if given. At the time I am interested in, there are entries for  Whitehills, Lightbirch, Haylee, Bridgefield and Owlgreave -all closer to Combs than Cockyard. I think 'John of Combs' was felt by the Clerk to be good enough to identify the family. The trouble is that it isn't enough now!

There's a burial of Hannah LOMAS of Thornhill Moor aged 34, in 1811 so maybe the family moved around and were in Combs 1801-1803...

I think we can rule out John LOMAS and his wife Ann Higginbotham as parents of John chr 1801 because they had a surviving son John born in 1798.

Any ideas how to find the parents of John (chr 1801) and William (chr 1803)?