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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #36 on: Monday 13 October 14 07:54 BST (UK) »
A couple more:

Partnership Dissolved
Notice is hereby given that the co-partnership of William Halbert & Son is this day mutually & amicably dissolved, and that the retail business will in future be carried out by William Halbert only, and the Wholesale by John Halbert his son, whose warehouse is adjoining his Father’s shops, in the Castle Yard…Newcastle, 21 June 1792
Newcastle Courant, 23 June 1792

Deaths - At Gateshead, 9th inst in Bottle Bank, aged 58, Mr J Halbert, cork cutter
Durham County Advertiser, 21 April 1854

Deaths - At London - In Arbour Square, on the 12th inst, Ann, widow of the late Captain Halbert, formerly of this town.
Newcastle Courant, 16 Dec 1864

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #37 on: Monday 13 October 14 08:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks SelDen - some great info

I cant find the birth of the John Halbert b abt 1792 - son of William or William the son of William on Familysearch.

The John Potts Halbert line. I still havent worked out how it fits into the picture other than the obvious naming conventions.

John Potts Halbert b abt 1768 married Ann Nixon/Hixon on 28 Jan 1794 unless hes the son of William  and  Alison Halbert nee Potts?
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 08:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks SelDen - some great info

The John Potts Halbert line. I still havent worked out how it fits into the picture other than the obvious naming conventions.

John Potts Halbert b abt 1768 married Ann Nixon/Hixon on 28 Jan 1794 unless hes the son of William  and  Alison Halbert nee Potts?


I think that more than one son of the first William & Alice/Alison named one of their sons John Potts - that is, William & Alice would have had at least two if not more grandsons named John Potts Halbert, as well as their own son John Potts Halbert. So there is more than one John Potts line! Makes things interesting!

I think that the John Potts Halbert born about 1768 may be the son of William & Alice Halbert (assuming the 1763 marriage in Kelso checks out). We need to get the approximate birth years for William & Alice Halbert in Newcastle to make sure they are not too young to be the couple marrying in Kelso.

John Potts Halbert born about 1768 married Ann Hixon/Nixon in All Saints by Licence in All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne as per your notes, with the groom being  26 & the bride 22. See here for the marriage bond etc on www.familysearch.org
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11897-19197-24?cc=1675690&wc=M6KL-XZS:129238501,129238502

JPH late of Newcastle upon Tyne dies in 1826 aged 58 (in his 59th year) according to the The Edinburgh Annual Register for 1826. Ann, his widow, dies in Annan, Dumfrieshire in 1841. Some online sources seem to conflate JPH born 1768 with another JPH who married a Mary, and went on to have more children in addition to the stuff I have already provided. However, Ann Halbert outlived her husband.

Has been a long day for me so will leave your other query for another day. Basically I think you need to get a blank piece of A3 & a pencil & rubber & start an old-fashioned tree, slotting in the known, with queries for the unknown, and then work on filling the gaps. This family was clearly better off than the average Tyneside seaman/miner/industrial labourer & there are lots of bits and pieces to be found about them but it will take a bit of time to slot them together into a reasonably coherent working model which can then be improved as you find more info.

Apologies if you know this, but not sure if you are aware of the common naming pattern which is found in both lowland Scotland and NBL/DUR:

Y (male) married X (female)
1st daughter is named after X's mother
1st son is named after Y's father
2nd daughter is named after Y's mother
2nd son is married after X's father.
3rd daughter named after X
3rd son named after Y.

You can google for the full pattern. It is often used, but you can only be sure how strictly it was applied by a particular family if you find every single child and see how they were named. The limited number of forenames often meant that a father in law and son in law for example could have the same name, so the 'high priority' names could be quickly used up and others picked. Or perhaps a much missed family member died and the next same sex child was named after them, despite it not yet being their 'turn'. If a child died, a later born sibling was often given the same name. Children could be given the name of a brother or sister in law, or an aunt/uncle (for example David Carrot Halbert).

If you google for Halbert & Annan you will find quite a bit of good info about this branch.

All the best!

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 21 October 14 12:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you again Selden

I very much appreciate you casting fresh eyes over this. Still lots for me to discover and hopefully some records will be scanned in which reveal Thomas parents births, marriages and deaths and how they are connected.

I also contacted the local Gateshead/Newcastle historical society but never received a response
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick


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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 21 October 14 15:34 BST (UK) »
Came across this list of family trees held by the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDN-MSBT

You will see there is one listed for Halbert, Newcastle. No idea what it is like but you could contact them. You might have to join up but that is not expensive - Google for their eshop.

See also the reply from Janis to the look up request for Ballast Hills burial ground on the Northumberland ground. That gives the burial dates for some children  of William and Alison and shows that they were having children in the 1760s.

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 21 October 14 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

The link took me to a New Zealand passenger list?
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 21 October 14 20:26 BST (UK) »
Sorry, that was a response to another query, my tablet has a mind of it's own sometimes but I should have noticed it was not right. Try this:

http://ndfhs.org/pdfs/library-catalogue-family-trees.pdf

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 21 October 14 20:44 BST (UK) »
Great, thank you Ill check it out tonight.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 22 October 14 08:22 BST (UK) »
Ive emailed the society about the Halbert info. Its the same place I emailed previously but chose a different person to send the query to.

The Ballast Hills burial ground also has William and Allison buried there. We know William died in 1804.

Its quite sad to see a former cemetery and its headstones treated like that.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick