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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi

So is it the same family?

AMENDED (AFTER REPLY #9)

1891 census RG12 1118 50 page33
53 Sotheron road, Watford

1901 RG13 1316 128 page39 [ written Humphry transcribed Humphery ]
1 Ridge Street Watford

1911 census RG14 7699 page432.
57 Ridge Street Watford

                                    (1891)              (1901)                    (1911)
Caleb John Humphry   29 Slapton      39 Horton               50 Slapton           Slapton/Horton "yards" apart
Hannah                        29 Whitchurch 39 Whitchurch       50 Whitchurch
Maud                             8 Horton         18 Horton               m1906?               ?b regd L.Buzzard 1882
William G                       7 Stoke           17 Stoke                m1905?               ?b regd Wycombe 1884 
Arthur                             5 Watford       15 Watford             m1910?                     
Emma(Emiily)                3 Watford       12 (Emily,Watford)  23(Emily, Watford)
Albert                             1 Watford       11 Watford              ?                                   
Elizabeth                        -                       8 Watford             18 Watford
Ernest                            -                       6 Watford             16 Watford
Frederick Thomas                                                                1 Watford

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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi

As you have to look up 1911 for copyright reasons and have done so . . . . .

If you look again, the grandson is noted as Frederick Thomas NOT Fredrick George

Ray

Thats the problem Emma not Emily Humphrey had a son Called Frederick George Humphrey (b) 1/12/1909 at Queen Charlottes Hospital i know that because he is my grandad and i knew him. I also have his birth certificate on which Emma is stated as the mother and the hospital admissions record he is defo called Frederick George Humphrey.

Here is the record

London Metropolitan Archives
H27/QC/B/01/014
Chelsea and Queen Charlotte’s Hospital
Register of In-patients, 1909-1911, page 54

Entry No. 1652

MOTHER
Name   Humphreys Emma
Residence   St Agatha’s House, 48 St Johns Wood Road
No. of admission order   1350
Age   22
Civil state   Single
No. of previous pregnancies     ---
Date of admission   Nov 30th
Hour of day   3.30pm
Date of delivery   Dec 1st
Hour of day      1.35am
Midwife   Pick
Presentation   Vertex
Delivery   Forceps
Date of discharge   Dec 13th
Condition on leaving   G

CHILD
Sex   M
Born alive or dead   Alive
Condition if dead     ---
Apparent age   Full
Weight at birth   7 lb 2¼ oz
Length at birth   22 inches
Date of discharge   Dec 13th
Condition on leaving   G
Length of stay   13 days
Remarks   S [ = Single]

So ive no idea who Frederick Thomas Humphrey is ? Emily's son maybe who ever Emily is ?

Ive got a feeling Emma and Emily are the same person misheard by the Numerator, maybe they called her Emms and hes made up his own names for her ? just a thought.

Remember Frederick was born illegitimate so who knows what they may have done to cover this up. However he was put into a childrens home at a very early age and then fostered out to a family called Mathews of whom he stayed with until 16.
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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi

?

Marriage Dec 1881 Aylesbury 3a 961 the list includes . . . . .

Caleb John HUMPHREY / Elizabeth PARROTT / Hannah Chesshire

[ However = Hannah Elizabeth Parrott breg 1862 BEDFORD (!) ]

1881 Hannah Chesshire (20) working as servant in pub in Cheddington ( close to Horton ) born Whitchurch.

Aye i think Hannah Chesshire is the one mentioned on the census with John. Agreed

I think its the same family on all census just dont know who Emily is
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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:42 GMT (UK) »

There is another anomaly needing investigation . . . . . .
Birth Dec 1887 Watford 3a 556 Emma Humphrey
Birth Jun 1888  Watford 3a 572 Emily Elizabeth Humphrey


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Aye strange one this they cant have the same mother. You cant have a baby in Dec 1887 and another in Jun 1888 unless she was like 3 months premature.

Unless Emily is another family members child and they have adopted her that would make sense but a lot of assumption.

Or worst scenario i have followed the wrong Emma in the first place and she is in fact the one born in Brighton Sussex 1886 now that would be a bummer. However, on the hospital admissions records previously posted she is 22, the Emma in Brighton 1886 was born period mar apr may 1886 this would make her 23 . Emma In Watford born period oct nov dec 1887 which makes her 22 at the birth. Hope this all  makes sense my heads spinning
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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi DT

Maybe the enumerator had the "DT"'s?   ::)

There are a number of other "Humphrey" families around (and in Ridge st).
Time to build a list?

The "other" Emma (or Emily) birth needs to be looked at too?

Did your Gt-GrandMa get married at all? If so, who did she name as her father? Witnesses?

Were the Mathews family also Herts?Watford?

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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi DT

Maybe the enumerator had the "DT"'s?   ::)

There are a number of other "Humphrey" families around (and in Ridge st).
Time to build a list?

The "other" Emma (or Emily) birth needs to be looked at too?




Did your Gt-GrandMa get married at all? If so, who did she name as her father? Witnesses?

Were the Mathews family also Herts?Watford?

Tottenham

Ray

Hi Ray i was amending my post at the same time you posted did you read the up to date info above, sorry

frederick never knew any thing of his mother or family or her life so cant go further on that one
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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:55 GMT (UK) »

Birth Sep 1909 Frederick Thomas Humphrey Watford 3a 842

Too early for your Gdad but not too early for the Fred T in Watford . . . . .
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 19:57 GMT (UK) »

Birth Sep 1909 Frederick Thomas Humphrey Watford 3a 842

Too early for your Gdad but not too early for the Fred T in Watford . . . . .

 so i could well be following the wrong Emma then oh dear

Originaly all i had to go on was Frederick George Humphrey Birth Cert and thats what  ive based my research on assuming because of the age of Emma on the Hospital records it had to be the one born in Watford
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Re: Humphrey (s) 1901 census help needed
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 20:02 GMT (UK) »
. . . . . but he was born in Marylebone . . . .

Data erroneously illegally posted removed before a mod got me.   :o

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