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Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 31 December 13 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gary,

I have just been having a quick look at your Hall family line and I wonder if you may have picked up the wrong Samuel Hall in the 1881 census as there is this one that looks like your ancestor (the one you have is recorded as a Bootmaker)

    Samuel Hall
Age:    61
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1820
Relationship to Head:    Inmate
Gender:    Male
Where born:    Yarmouth
   
Civil Parish:    Great Yarmouth
County/Island:    Norfolk
Country:    England
   
Street Address:    "Great Yarmouth Workhouse"
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:
   
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Occupation:    Baker
   
Registration District:    Yarmouth
Sub-registration District:    Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel:    Great Yarmouth Workhouse
Neighbors:    View others on page
Piece:    1915
Folio:    81


also how sure are you that Elizabeth Hall was still alive in 1886 as there is this burial


County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   36
BurialDate   23 Feb 1880
Forename   Elizabeth
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   HALL
Age   52
Abode   Row
Notes   
FileNumber   4011



also have you seen this marriage?


County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   142
MarriageDate   22 Jan 1848
GroomForename   Samuel
GroomSurname   HALL
GroomAge   
GroomParish   
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   Baker
GroomAbode   Market Gates
BrideForename   Elizabeth
BrideSurname   NEWMAN
BrideAge   
BrideParish   
BrideCondition   Spinster
BrideOccupation   
BrideAbode   Market Gates
GroomFatherForename   William
GroomFatherSurname   HALL
GroomFatherOccupation   Publican
BrideFatherForename   William
BrideFatherSurname   NEWMAN
BrideFatherOccupation   Labourer
WitnessOneForename   John
WitnessOneSurname   TODD
WitnessTwoForename   Mary
WitnessTwoSurname   TODD
Notes   
FileNumber   22319



also this burial:

 County   Norfolk
Place   Great Yarmouth
Church   St Nicholas
RegisterNumber   1269
BurialDate   26 Feb 1886
Forename   Samuel
Relationship   
Rel1MaleForename   
Rel1FemaleForename   
Rel1Surname   
Surname   HALL
Age   66
Abode   Union              (Possibly the workhouse)
Notes   
FileNumber   4010

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Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 31 December 13 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Dear candrjm,

It has been a number of years since acquiring the information I have on the Mitchell, Balls and Hall line of ancestry.  There was some confusion with names at that time, some records were not in alignment with others, however certain names of the household did match very well with known Balls family history.  Those names that were common with Samuel and Elizabeth Hall in particular, were Anne Hall a younger sister of, and Charlotte Matilda Hall herself.

  Am eager to find out, but am not really certain about any information other than of my grandmother Florence whom I actually knew well.   Initially there was very little information to go on when I began this quest.  Florence Matilda Balls and her siblings, the servants and tutors of the household, and Florence's parents Benjamin Arthur Balls and Charlotte Matilda Hall are known to be factual, however working back in years from them is conjectural thus far.  I appreciate the clues you have provided today, but do have really no way to advance this material or theory.  Perhaps another document will come forth to provide the answer.  Thank you for the added information on the Hall family of Norfolk.

Gary

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Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 02 January 14 22:36 GMT (UK) »
Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
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Balls Family - Michell- Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Believe that it is established that Benjamin Arthur Balls was born 1860, at Dartford, Kent, England, and that his father was Benjamin Barber Balls (1831-1971) born (Barnham, Broom, Norfolk) who was married to Martha Mitchell (1832- ????) and that this Benjamin Barber Balls was the son of Benjamin Barber Balls (1801-1871) born (Barles, Sufolk, England)  who's wife was Mary Ann of Blunderston.

It was found that Martha Mitchell (Balls) was born about 1832 at Great Massingham, Norfolk to an unwed mother Sarah Mitchell born about 1811 at Middleton, Norfolk, who's parents were Robert Mitchell (1777-22 Feb. 1834) of Great Massingham or Kings Lynn area, Norfolk who was married to an Alice Jordan of approximately the same age and location (1774- died 08 Aug. 1848 at Great Massingham, Norfolk).  Nothing further is known of this lineage or family history save for Sarah's older siblings John born 1809 and William born 1807.

 Benjamin Arthur Balls was a fruiterer and grocer at 131 King Street in 1881, in business with wife Charlotte Matilda Balls, who's maiden name was Hall, (Great Yarmouth family bakers of bread & sweets),  Charlotte Matilda Hall was baptised 15 Feb 1857 at Acle Norfolk, her parents were Samuel and Elizibeth Hall.

The 1881 Census has Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls, age 22, and Charlotte's younger sister Anne Hall, age 19, Anne (Mary Ann) working as a fruit grocery shopmaid, and a young domestic servant Miss Ann M. Crow age, 16. Benjamin Arthur Balls dies on 24 December 1890. Wife C.M. Balls ran the fruit grocery, moved to location at 159 King Street in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk... 1891 Census lists Alice Balls, (age 8), FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS, (age 7), Reginald Balls, (age 5), and Percy Balls, (age 3). In this household also did reside domestic servants and tutors. The 1891 Census listed these folks as Lena Fox, Martha Groom, and Harriet Tubby... Charlotte Matilda`s husband, Benjamin Arthur Balls, passed away 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth.

Charlotte Balls remarried to Mr. Edwin Hart  listed in the census of 1901 had moved to Civil Parish: Lambeth, St. Catherine Brixton, (Lambeth-Brixton), London, England with daughter Florence Matilda Balls, then age 19, and Charlotte's new, second husband Edwin Hart, age 54. Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) (Hart) was 44 years old at the time...

 Re: Charlotte Matilda Hart "It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop, she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually.  Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls) 'Hart'  died Sept qtr 1931, age 71. Norwich (4b 112)" information was provided by Suz,  (thank you!)

 My grandmother is FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS who married in 1903, age 20, at Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, a Mr. Edmund Stanislaus Atherton (b.1880). She then is in Alberta, Canada, Sept. 1913 crossing Sweetgrass International Border and married to My Grandfather Otto Smithman... FLORENCE died October, 1972 in Helena, Montana USA..... Additional info and photos at   http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9   security password  mcmath.

Any further information about ancestors of the Great Yarmouth Samuel Hall family of merchants row 50, or Balls of King Street families, or the Mitchells would be appreciated.  Thank you,  Gary

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Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 02 January 14 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Balls Family - Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk


This is a duplicate and do not know how to get rid of it.  Was simply trying to modify original post in order to update what has been discovered and posted to the initial inquiry.  Sorry!


Re: Balls Family, and Hall in the Merchant Rows & King Street Great Yarmouth info ?
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 22:36 »

Balls Family - Michell- Hart - Hall the Merchant Rows &  King Street Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Believe that it is established that Benjamin Arthur Balls was born 1860, at Dartford, Kent, England, and that his father was Benjamin Barber Balls (1831-1971) born (Barnham, Broom, Norfolk) who was married to Martha Mitchell (1832- ????) and that this Benjamin Barber Balls was the son of Benjamin Barber Balls (1801-1871) born (Barles, Sufolk, England)  who's wife was Mary Ann of Blunderston.

It was found that Martha Mitchell (Balls) was born about 1832 at Great Massingham, Norfolk to an unwed mother Sarah Mitchell born about 1811 at Middleton, Norfolk, who's parents were Robert Mitchell (1777-22 Feb. 1834) of Great Massingham or Kings Lynn area, Norfolk who was married to an Alice Jordan of approximately the same age and location (1774- died 08 Aug. 1848 at Great Massingham, Norfolk).  Nothing further is known of this lineage or family history save for Sarah's older siblings John born 1809 and William born 1807.

 Benjamin Arthur Balls was a fruiterer and grocer at 131 King Street in 1881, in business with wife Charlotte Matilda Balls, who's maiden name was Hall, (Great Yarmouth family bakers of bread & sweets),  Charlotte Matilda Hall was baptised 15 Feb 1857 at Acle Norfolk, her parents were Samuel and Elizibeth Hall.

The 1881 Census has Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls, age 22, and Charlotte's younger sister Anne Hall, age 19, Anne (Mary Ann) working as a fruit grocery shopmaid, and a young domestic servant Miss Ann M. Crow age, 16. Benjamin Arthur Balls dies on 24 December 1890. Wife C.M. Balls ran the fruit grocery, moved to location at 159 King Street in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk... 1891 Census lists Alice Balls, (age 8), FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS, (age 7), Reginald Balls, (age 5), and Percy Balls, (age 3). In this household also did reside domestic servants and tutors. The 1891 Census listed these folks as Lena Fox, Martha Groom, and Harriet Tubby... Charlotte Matilda`s husband, Benjamin Arthur Balls, passed away 24 Dec 1890 at Great Yarmouth.

Charlotte Balls remarried to Mr. Edwin Hart  listed in the census of 1901 had moved to Civil Parish: Lambeth, St. Catherine Brixton, (Lambeth-Brixton), London, England with daughter Florence Matilda Balls, then age 19, and Charlotte's new, second husband Edwin Hart, age 54. Charlotte Matilda Hall (Balls) (Hart) was 44 years old at the time...

 Re: Charlotte Matilda Hart "It looks like she moved to Prittlewell Essex to keep a confectioner's shop, she probably moved back to Norfolk eventually.  Charlotte Matilda (Hall) Balls) 'Hart'  died Sept qtr 1931, age 71. Norwich (4b 112)" information was provided by Suz,  (thank you!)

 My grandmother is FLORENCE MATILDA BALLS who married in 1903, age 20, at Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, a Mr. Edmund Stanislaus Atherton (b.1880). She then is in Alberta, Canada, Sept. 1913 crossing Sweetgrass International Border and married to my Grandfather Otto Smithman... FLORENCE died October, 1972 in Helena, Montana USA..... Additional info and photos at   http://mcmath.tribalpages.com/?userid=mcmath&x=9&y=9   security password  mcmath.

Any further information about ancestors of the Great Yarmouth Samuel Hall family of merchants row 50, or Balls of King Street families, or the Mitchells would be appreciated.  Thank you,  Gary