Glanrafon Arms, Llanallgo. 1881 Census.

[keyboard86]

Hi again, my 1881 for the Glanrafon Arms shows Sydney b 1880 Bangor not 1878?

Looks like her and Blodwen with parents Richard E and Harriett on 1901 RG13/5291/27/24

Keyboard86

Hi again, you say in your opening post that the daughter of Michael & Ann Edwards married a Henry Williams, it is odd therefore that the Harriett in the above 1901 with Richard E Williams , Sydney and Blodwen, was also born c 1857 Llanallgo?

Look this is the Glanafon Arms in 1871:-

Michael RICHARD 38
Ann 34
Harriett 14
John 10
Hugh 8
Michael 5
Census ref RG10/5741/54/17

1891 census

Richard E Williams 43 occ Draper b Pentraeth
Harriett  35 b Pentraeth
Sydney 11 b Bangor
Jane Parry 21 Servant b Bangor
Hugh W Richard 27 occ Hotel proprietor b Pentraeth
Residing as 1881/1901 at 331, Devon House, High Street, Bangor
Their is also a 3 month old Annie b Bangor with this family in 1881

Keyboard86

Just who in this family are your ancestors?

[Viking666]

Yes, the initial mistake of fitting a "possible" husband for Harriet backfired. Richard E. is the real McCoy. I managed to find that they were married in the Dec. quarter of 1874.
 Harriet was the daughter of Michael and Ann Richards.
 Hugh W. Richards was a son, (in the 1911 census he is down as "female", married to Jane).

 All of the folk shown in the 1901 are related. Michael Richards, (1832) was the son of Michael Richards (1798-1883). He was my GG Grandfather.
Of interest is that my father was a Michael Richards, (1898-1969). His eldest son was a Michael, and his eldest son was a Michael too. I am one of 14 children. Michael 1798 let the side down by having only 11 children! His father was the Rev. John Richards,(1760) Vicar of Llanerchymedd, an abject failure with only 10.

[keyboard86]

  Maybe at 17 Harriett could have married, the 1874 marriage, was Richard E, Richard E or plain Richard, and where was it??

Keyboard86

Look if 1st child b c 1881 then 1874 marriage?

Possible in Birkenhead,  Cheshire ( Next door to Anglesey) 1878?

[Viking666]

BMD only give the 1st name, Richard. I have always had Harriet down as marrying in Llanallgo. There is no question about the 1st child Sydney being their child ... it was Marry that was in question. Harriet was only 11 so Marry must be from Richard's first wife.

[keyboard86]

BMD only give the 1st name, Richard. I have always had Harriet down as marrying in Llanallgo. There is no question about the 1st child Sydney being their child ... it was Marry that was in question. Harriet was only 11 so Marry must be from Richard's first wife.

Look for same family in 1881 ie Annie aged 0 b Bangor

Marry b 1868 another problem to solve!!

Freebmd is not the way to do genealogy,  the actual certs are!!

Keyboard86

[Viking666]

I don't have the 1881 for the family in Bangor. With Harriet just giving birth to Annie this would explain the mystery of why she and her husband are not with their children at the Glanrafon in 1881.
 I also see that Llanallgo, Pentraeth and Ty'n-y-Gongl appear to be the same place, changing with census area shifts.
To save time and energy looking at the elusive Marry Williams, I will own up to being her father...
well, it is Christmas after all!

[keyboard86]

  Look I do not know if you are trying to be humourous or have given up the ghost in wishing to locate just who the parent/s of Marry b 1868 Bangor is/are, but if you really are interested in all of your ancestors you should possibly be less flippant!

I do love a puzzle, and Marry is one!
It does not help when you cannot locate on Freebmd a birth?

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Keyboard86

[Viking666]

Thank you for your demonstration of bad manners and lack of sense of humour towards an elderly gent. It may give you, as a professional, some ire when a problem can't be solved but to the "man in the street", some things aren't that important.
 Thanks to  your last comment, I shan't be asking Rootschat for help in the future.
          Have a happy one!

[keyboard86]

Hi look no offence meant, I am as humourous as the rest, I just did not want the puzzle re Marry to disintergrate, each line of my reply was meant to keep the interest in Marry alive, and on a personal level a Christmas wish to you and your family.

As can be seen I have spent many hours trying to bring your family "closer" and I am no professional,  just someone who loves helping others?

Keyboard86