Richard Stallwood - Frimley

[groom]

Hello Ciderdrinker

That is a brilliant find and explains a lot. It makes far more sense John being an uncle and not his father.

I wonder if Jane was John Cottee's child though as Ann was already living with him in 1841? If they weren't married she may have been registered as a Yates. We need to find out when Anne's first husband died.

[ciderdrinker]

Good morning
Had a look for Jane registered as Yates,Yeats and Cottee but no luck.Her baptism states her father John was a groom,her older brother's that he was a serving man and the same for Ann 2.3.1835.
Her father and mother married 21.11.1831 at Crondall All Saints  which was where she came from?Witnesses Henry and Sarah Davis.
Ann Cottee died age 78 Hartley Wintney Hamps where she was living with daughter Ann Mar 1889 2c 109.John Cottee Farnham June 1870 age 75 2a 60.
John Cottee had been married to a Mary - baptisms Emily 22.8.1824 and Caroline 19.6.1828 but I'm not having much luck with the deaths of their spouses.I've been through the burials for Frimley St Peters 1825-1845 pages 24-86 and nothing.
Sorry I can't find John Yates but as a groom he could have been working away ,had an accident and been buried anywhere.
But your right I do think Jane was his daughter and John Yates had died some time before.

Ciderdrinker

[groom]

There is this birth registration which could be her, nothing else under Yates or Cottee

COTTEE
Female (unnamed)
Farnham  Surrey
1841  Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume  4 Page  128

[diy]

Groom, Ciderdrinker, thanks for your help here, you are really helping solve this mystery for me. So If I am following everything correctly it looks like the following:

Jane Cottee (Yates) mother is Ann Yates who was married to John Yates who was a Groom.
By 1841
John Yates has disappeared and Ann is now living with John Cottee with a 6mth old Jane
1842 Ann and John Cottee marry
Possible John Cottee is Jane's Father
Moving on in time. Jane has a son Lewis who she registers as Lewis Bonson Yates Mothers Previous married name, however we do not know who the father is although a couple of years later Jane marries Richard Stallwood and is raised as his son.

Thanks again,
DIY

[diy]

Ciderdrinker,

I'm not sure I understand the shorthand in the last part of one of your previous messages:

Ann Yates 19 same d of John Yates gentleman's servant
wit John Cottee and Jane Clark

What does this information relate too?

I can find a birth record of Ann Davis brn 22/9/1816 and chr 22/12/1816 in Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, Father is William davis, mother is Ann. Do you think this is the same line?

[groom]

Edward James Beach /Bach 21 painter  york town John Beech cooper
Ann Yates 19 same d of John Yates gentleman's servant
wit John Cottee and Jane Clark

I think Ciderdrinker means:

Edward James Beach   bachelor 21  painter   York Town   father John Beech a cooper
Ann Yates                               19               York Town   father John Yates a gentleman's servant
witnesses John Cottee and Jane Clark

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Yes I did,thank you Groom.Sorry for any confusion and not getting back to you.The library was shut yesterday.
Got a possible for the brother John Henry James Yates 1841 census
Bricklayers Arms Ash Surrey
Ann Davis 58 beer house keeper N
Robert McChun 30 painter N
Mary 30 dressmaker N
Robert Beldcheam 24 bricklayer y
Charles Brown 45 painter  N
William Christian 30 lab N
George Taylor 45 lab N
Henry Yeates 9 Y
Probably living with mother's Jane Yates/Cottee nee Davis 's relative.Strangely grandfather William Davis was a bricklayer.

Ciderdrinker

[diy]

I Looked up the other thread you pointed to on rootschat and Manchester Rambler mentions:

 'looked John Henry James Yates up on the IGI, and he was christened in Frimley on 8 Jul 1832, son of John and Ann Yates.  John and Ann also christened a daughter Jane Yates in Frimley on 31 Jan 1841'

Can you find any records that confirm John Yates or John Cottee as Jane's Father? Christening Record suggests John Yates was father.  This being the case John Yates would have to have been alive at least until first quarter 1840.

[groom]

Christening Record suggests John Yates was father.

What exactly do you mean by this - does it give him as the father?

Remember that if a woman was married it was assumed that her husband was the father of the child.

It may have been that he did die before Jane was born and that Ann and the children were just lodging with John Cottee in 1841 before they then got married. I cant see any deaths for a John Yates in Surrey between 1838 and 1841.

You may have to chance it and get the certificate I mentioned earlier to see if it is her:

COTTEE
Female (unnamed)
Farnham  Surrey
1841  Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume  4 Page  128