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Re: Lower Moreton Farm , Gyfelia , Ruabon. Census help
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 04 January 14 16:44 GMT (UK) »
It looks possible that the data is missing,based on the following:-

In the 1871 census Gyfelia Farm is at census ref  5652  92  11 (Sched 62).Lower Moreton Farm is at 5652  92  12 (Sched 67).
In between there are relatively distinctive names -Uriah Morgan,Thomas Golley,Richard Hampson-none of these appear in the 1861 either(an Edward Crump does,but he is at his parenmts pre-marriage).
I can't say it's definitive,particularly because the occupant of Gyfelia Farm,Edward Massey,does appear in 1861,but at the very beginning of a district  1861  4280  62  1  (Sched 1).I've tried looking at districts either side,though I recognise there is not necessarily any linear relationship that would apply.FindMyPast has a single page of somewhere else entirely inserted in this sequence,so maybe your data is out there somewhere,but the lack of the other "neighbours" suggests not.

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Re: Lewis Jones marriages
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 January 14 17:21 GMT (UK) »
1871 Moreton Farm . Lower Moreton,  Gyfelia.
Lewis Jones  40 farmer of 139 acres employs 2 men b Ruabon
 Ann Jones  39 39 b Llangollen
Margreat ( Margaret) Ann Jones  9 b Ruabon
 Mary Christiana Jones  7 b Ruabon
 Thomas Lewis Jones  5 b Ruabon
 Eliza Jane Jones  1 b Ruabon

I am researching the Jones family, who are  living at Moreton Farm.
Lewis is a name that is still used in the family.
Also I am trying to find the history of Moreton Farm itself.
It seems to have possibly had connections to a Griffiths family.

I have found a will, but am unsure if this will be the same ones.
Griffiths, Richard, Morton Below, Rhiwabon, Denbigh, Farmer     
Richard Griffiths : will, 1809

Another thing I find confusing is the references to Moreton Above and Below, and the Anglicorum / Wallicorum title . I`m guessing that I am in Anglocorum.

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Re: Lewis Jones marriages
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 January 14 20:19 GMT (UK) »
I've done a  walk through of both townships for 1861 but can't find them - do you have anything of John Jones  :-\
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Re: Lower Moreton Farm , Gyfelia , Ruabon. Census help
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 January 14 23:37 GMT (UK) »
For those that may be looking,the marriage at Wrexham St Giles took place between John Griffiths and a Sarah Hughes 21/02/1851.At least that is the only possible one I can see!

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Lower Moreton Farm , Gyfelia , Ruabon. Census help
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 January 14 00:20 GMT (UK) »
I've looked at the 1871 entries and whilst they may well be neighbouring farms,Lewis Jones and John Griffiths were at two separate addresses.Whilst it may sound like splitting hairs,Lewis Jones is at Moreton Farm whereas John Griffiths is at Lower Moreton Farm.Lewis Jones is on the preceding page to John Griffiths.

There may be a moral to all this;Whilst I am always willing to look for named people,I will never look for named properties!I may well have the right idea looking at all this!

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Lower Moreton Farm , Gyfelia , Ruabon. Census help
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 January 14 00:37 GMT (UK) »
The neighbour of Lewis Jones in 1871,Thomas Colley with wife Mary is living in a different part of Ruabon in 1861.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Lower Moreton Farm , Gyfelia , Ruabon. Census help
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 05 January 14 01:09 GMT (UK) »
According to the description of the Enumeration District it should be in Enumeration District 7 of Ruabon also known as Moreton Below.The description mentions Gyfelia and specifically also the two Moreton Farms.

However looking at the pages for the District unfortunately they are incomplete.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Lewis Jones marriages
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 January 14 12:00 GMT (UK) »
1841 Cysyllte . All born in County.
Johny (John) Jones  35
 Mary Jones  40
 Lewis Jones  10
 Raudle ( Randle) Jones  5

1851 Cysyllte Llangollen.
John Jones  50 farmer b Corwen
 Mary Jones  52 b Ruabon
 Lewis Jones  20 b Ruabon
 Raudle  (Randle) Jones  16 b Ruabon

Possible death of Randle Jones.
Deaths Mar 1861 Jones  Randle    Wrexham 
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Re: Lewis Jones marriages
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 05 January 14 12:28 GMT (UK) »

1861.
I think Ancestry may have missed some pages ,
The district seems to be  Moreton Below and Ruabon, but there are only 2 pages and they start at schedule 17  to 21 (no page number visible) , next page is page 6 and sch 22 – 26  , so it seems at least pages 1 – 4 are missing.

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