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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #45 on: Friday 31 January 14 15:18 GMT (UK) »
HI Dee-Jay - as per your suggestions I contacted the two agencies and, as it turns out, the HeritageAdmin folks sent my request to the WSHC one anyway...

Turns out all your sleuthing resulted in the best accuracy about the records they do hold, this is what they told me "We hold the parish records for Wiltshire. There are baptism and marriage records for Chittoe from 1846 but no burials, these would take place in Bromham".

They also provided some additional names, which I have to clarify, but it looks like there were 4 or 5 siblings for my relative (not the two I had records for).

I will go to the WSHC whilst in Wilts and look at the birth marriage records.  I assume Bromham has a similar facility?

Thanks so much everyone for all your input and efforts!!  I am so happy with the progress you all helped me make in just a couple of days. Regards, Carol
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Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #46 on: Friday 31 January 14 15:56 GMT (UK) »
The Wiltshire & Swindon history centre in Chippenham holds most of the records for Wiltshire, Bromham will not have a similar facility.
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 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
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 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #47 on: Friday 31 January 14 16:09 GMT (UK) »
According to GENUKI for Bromham:
WSRO registers: Chr 1566-1987, Mar 1560-1989, Bur 1560-1865

In the course of my 'sleuthing' I found that the Bishop consecrated a new burial ground at Bromham, near the church, in April 1858.

I'm a bit puzzled why the left hand doesn't know what the right one is holding when it comes to Chittoe .... ???  I'm surprised they don't know where the original Chittoe Burial Register is lodged, if they hold a transcript .....  ::)

The 'mother' church was Bishop's Cannings prior to Chittoe's elevation to parish status, so perhaps the answer lies there? 
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #48 on: Friday 31 January 14 16:14 GMT (UK) »
LOL - nothing surprises me about this process anymore! 

Regards, Carol
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ


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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #49 on: Friday 31 January 14 16:30 GMT (UK) »
They provided me with this link to what parish records they hold:
 http://www.wshc.eu/about-wshc/archives/306.html 
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #51 on: Friday 31 January 14 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Chittoe was built as a chapel of ease for Bromham it would seem - no burials took place there hence the lack of a burial register.  Prior to this chapel opening marriages and baptisms were indeed held at either Bromham or at Bishops Cannings the contiguous parishes. 

After congregation numbers dwindled the church was closed and converted into a private residence.  Attached is a photograph of the very sympathetically converted building.  You can see the owners have maintained many of the church features so you have a fair idea of how it would have looked when built.

The image can be found on the Wiltshire OPC Project Gallery for Chittoe (no breach of copyright since I am admin for the site)

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #52 on: Friday 31 January 14 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Chittoe was built as a chapel of ease for Bromham it would seem - no burials took place there hence the lack of a burial register.  Prior to this chapel opening marriages and baptisms were indeed held at either Bromham or at Bishops Cannings the contiguous parishes ..... 
..... I am admin for the site

Please see the newspaper article to which I refer above and also the reference for the Chittoe burials' transcript etc .....

Can you please bring your good offices to bear at Chippenham to resolve these anomalies?
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #53 on: Friday 31 January 14 17:48 GMT (UK) »
I do not have the answer - I am going by what we have researched and what holdings the Wiltshire Record Office (WSHC) have listed in their catalogue. 

Yes they say there is access to the graveyard which would suggest there were burials there.  However you need to ask if the church closed in the 1980s where are the registers for baptisms from 1912 to closure and the burial register which is not listed at all.  The Marriage register is from 1846-1978. I would assume the the registers were deposited at WSHC when the church closed but why no burial register!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was also a chapel in Chittoe called the Heath Chapel. 

It is a mystery I must say.