Karl MARX research Cologne/Koln and Treves/Trier Germany PLEASE

[markheal]

As Karl Marx is on my Ancestry tree I need help to find the cousin link to Robert Joseph MARX.
Many thanks for your attention and help.
Mark

   
Karl Heinrich Marx
Birth 5 MAY 1818 in Trier, Rheinland-Pfalz, Prussia
Death 14 MAR 1883 in PANCRAS London
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Robert Joseph Marx
Birth 1863 in Cologne GERMANY
Death 4 Dec 1938 in HAMPSTEAD Middlesex

Robert is believed to be a 2nd cousin, twice removed of Karl MARX
source:OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHIES
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/67251?docPos=2

   
Robert Joseph Marx
Birth 1863 in Cologne GERMANY
Death 4 Dec 1938 in HAMPSTEAD Middlesex
CENSUS 1891,1901,1911

Occupation
1891 Manufacturer of embroideries
with several patents
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SISTER ON 1891 CENSUS
Clementine Marx
Birth abt 1858 in Treves, Germany
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DAUGHTER:
Enid Crystal Dorothy Marx
Birth 20 OCT 1902 in Belsize Lodge, 3 Garlinge Road, Kilburn, HAMPSTEAD, Middlesex
Death 18 MAY 1998 in CAMDEN LONDON
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/67251?docPos=2

[aghadowey]

Trier is in Rhineland-Pfalz but not Prussia as far as I know. There are different versions of the place (depending on the country) but in French it's Trèves (probably the Treves of Clementine Marx's birthplace). Cologne is about 120 or so miles away but it's still possible they were related to each other.

[Peonie]

Rheinland-Pfalz did not exist in 1818, it was founded after WWII.  wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trier) writes the following about Trier

In the 17th and 18th centuries, Trier was sought after by France, who invaded during the Thirty Years' War, the War of the Grand Alliance, the War of the Spanish Succession, and the War of the Polish Succession. France succeeded in finally claiming Trier in 1794 during the French Revolutionary Wars, and the electoral archbishopric was dissolved. After the Napoleonic Wars ended in 1815, Trier passed to the Kingdom of Prussia. Karl Marx was born in the city in 1818

Regards Peonie

[markheal]

Thanks, this highlights my ignorance of Germany.
Wiki tells all!
On 30 April 1815, Prussian authorities reorganised the states of the kingdom into 10 provinces with the Verordnung wegen verbesserter Einrichtung der Provinzialbehörden (English: Regulation for the establishment of improved provincial authorities), of which Jülich-Cleves-Berg was one.

The provincial government was headquartered in Cologne, with the province subdivided into Bezirker (districts) of Düsseldorf, Cleves and Cologne from 22 April 1816. The provincial president was Frederick, Count of Solms-Laubach.
On 22 June 1822, an order of the Prussian cabinet (German: Kabinettsordre) united the province with the Grand Duchy of the Lower Rhine province, with its capital in Koblenz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_J%C3%BClich-Cleves-Berg

[aghadowey]

Yes, will have to brush up on my history 

Some Karl Marx's family trees here but mainly shows ancestry-
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5085138/1/
http://reocities.com/CapitolHill/congress/3165/marxfamilytree.jpg

[Peonie]

English and History were the two subjects  I really hated. For my sins I now live in an English speaking country (when my former teacher found that out she nearly killed herself laughing).

History is included in family research and now really interesting and makes dates much easier to remember.

Mark, you could perhaps send a pm to JustinL and ask for help. He knows a lot about how to research Jewish families.

Regards Peonie

[Gaie]

Hi

There are naturalisation papers and certificate for Robert at The National Archives:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4154998

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C11855884

These should have his parents' details and hopefully his father's occupation.  I can photograph them next time I'm there (should be this week).

KR
Gaie

[Gaie]

Hi

Mr R J Marx of 3 Garlinge Road, Brondesbury NW

of J Marx & Co, 133/9 Finsbury Pavement, London EC

Was a German Empire subject.  On 17/5/1888 he gave up his German nationality and obtained from the German government a permit to emigrate to England.

Born Cologne on the Rhine, Kingdom of Prussia on 12 November 1863.  Parents Jacob Marx and Dina Marx nee Frank, both German subjects.

Aged 47.  A consulting engineer.

Married, three children all born London, viz Renould 22 yrs, Marguerite Grace 19 yrs, Enid Crystal Dorothy 8 yrs.

Settled business at Chiswell House, 133/139 Finsbury Pavement, London EC.

Referees:
Walter Spyer, 4 Goldhawk Mansions, Finchley Road - solicitor
Montague Solomon, 55 Finsbury Pavement (I haven't made a note of his occupation, but I think he was a solicitor)
Frank Wainwright, 2 Broad Street Place, City - surveyor
James Parkyn, 36 Berkeley Road, Crouch End - manager of the Fore Street branch, London City Midland Bank Ltd
Henry Cooper Smith, 16 Windermere Ave, Brondesbury - hat manufacturer

Gaie

[markheal]

Greetings Gaie

That is most generous of you to dig out all those very useful details including the parents for Robert Joseph MARX.

I notice that his business name is:
J Marx & Co, 133/9 Finsbury Pavement, London EC

I wonder if Robert's father Jacob MARX came to London to join him in business.

I will see if I can find this business name in the directories.

Mark