Priscilla Hill, Leake, Lincs

[Ladyhawk]

I only asked about the twins because I think my Joseph b.1821 (who married Susannah) had twin sons  John and Thomas Hill, showing in the 1861 census - RG9 pce 2374 fol 31 p.14.

Where do you see that they are Twins 

The 1861 census you have quoted gives the ages of Joseph & Susannah's children as

John age 13 (c1848)
Joseph age 11 (c1850)
Thomas age 10 (c1851)
Susannah 3

These appear to be the baptism of the three boys

parents Joseph Hill & Susanna
(freereg bapt. All Saints Friskney occ father Labourer)
John 22 Aug 1847
Joseph 18 May 1849
Thomas Benjamin 2 February 1851

[beaglelady]

Hi,

No sorry I don't have the marriage certificate for Joseph and Judith.

The census which shows John and Thomas Hill BOTH aged 13 is 1861 - rg9 piece 2374 fol 31 p.14, I'm looking on ancestry and assumed cos both the boys were the same age they were twins??  Maybe an error on the census?

Ok so it looks like I've been on the completely wrong tracks with Joseph Hill's( b.1849 Spalding) father who I thought was Joseph Hill senior b.1821 Wrangle, Lincs married to Priscilla???  Where did I go wrong?

I have all the census info for Joseph and Judith and their children so at least I have something right     I really thought Joseph and Susannah were the parents for Joseph b.1849.

Back to the drawing board I guess

[beaglelady]

Hmm just been digging around and found a Joseph Hill in 1871 census - rg10 pce 3318 fol 4 p.2 mother Mary and father William, but this can't be my Joseph as I know he was in Halifax by 1871.

Too many Joseph Hill's!   I think the only way I'm going to get some concrete info is if I order the marriage cert for Joseph and Judith marriage sep 1871 91 770 Halifax - am I correct?

Thank you 

[Ladyhawk]

The census which shows John and Thomas Hill BOTH aged 13 is 1861 - rg9 piece 2374 fol 31 p.14, I'm looking on ancestry and assumed cos both the boys were the same age they were twins??  Maybe an error on the census?

census info for Joseph and Judith and their children so at least I have something right     I really thought Joseph and Susannah were the parents for Joseph b.1849.

An error  double checked as I had looked at the reference you gave previously for 1861c before I posted the childrens ages if you take a look at the original 1861 census entry John's age noted as 13 & Thomas noted as 10

Just to confirm you know for certain from a birth certificate of one of Joseph Hill & Judith’s children that her maiden name is THOMPSON and Joseph's occupation is a Bricklayer

Hmm just been digging around and found a Joseph Hill in 1871 census - rg10 pce 3318 fol 4 p.2 mother Mary and father William, but this can't be my Joseph as I know he was in Halifax by 1871

Yes there are a lot of Joseph Hill's born c 1849

Your Joseph Hill born c 1849 pob has been consistently SPALDING Lincolnshire occ BRICKLAYER this Joseph Hill pob is Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire and his occupation in 1871 is an AG. LAB.

I think the only way I'm going to get some concrete info is if I order the marriage cert for Joseph and Judith marriage sep 1871 91 770 Halifax - am I correct?

Yes, the only way to be 100% certain of Joseph’s father’s name is to obtain his marriage certificate to Judith Thompson and then go from there

Who knows my reply 17 may turn out to be your correct Hill family - we'll have to wait and see 

Unfortunately I cannot see this marriage on Ancestry to view the details  –  they do have marriages for Halifax at St John the Baptist Church

You may already have this but have posted just in case

This looks to be Judith's burial & Joseph's

West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
Judith Hill died age 68 (1851) burial 22 Dec 1919, Q23, S Marriott
Archive Location: Calderdale Reel Number: Halifax; CR33

Joseph Hill age 78 (1846) burial 9 Aug 1924, Q23, George Goode (Curate All Souls)
Archive Location: Calderdale Reel Number: Halifax; CR33 Ref Number: WYC1369/1/2/3

[beaglelady]

Hi Ladyhawk,

Yes you are correct about the boys ages on the 1861 census.  The first page on ancestry shows them both as aged 13 but when you view the original census it does show age 10 for Thomas Hill, so that's obviously and error on ancestry

I will dig a bit deeper and ask around to see if I can get some concrete info.  I need to get the birth certificate for John Hill b.1893 who married a Molly Haigh - Halifax.  Then if Joseph Hill and Judith are the correct parents I will order their marr cert.  I'm fairly sure Joseph and Judith are my line though.

Thank once again for your help I will post again when I find some definite info.  Looks like I need to take 2 steps back to gain a step forward!!  Oh the joys of genealogy 

[Ladyhawk]

I will dig a bit deeper and ask around to see if I can get some concrete info.  I need to get the birth certificate for John Hill b.1893 who married a Molly Haigh - Halifax.  Then if Joseph Hill and Judith are the correct parents I will order their marr cert.  I'm fairly sure Joseph and Judith are my line though.

That sounds a good idea -
John age 23 (1893) married Mollie Haigh on 6 August 1921 at St James Halifax
father Joseph Hill occ Bricklayer,
one of the witnesses was named H Hill - perhaps this his brother Harry 

not sure what to make of these marriage entries father Joseph's occ. is noted as a Mason
on all three marriages 

Joseph & Judith had children by these names
Arthur 1874 ,Thomas 1878, Herbert 1881 ,Louisa 1883, Jessie 1886 ,Lilian 1888 , Lottie 1892 ,John 1894, Harry 1896 and Charles 1898

10 Dec 1898 Betty Barrett to
Thomas Hill age 20 (1878) father Joseph Hill
One witness Arthur Hill

6 Jun 1908 marriage George Oakes to
Jessie Hill age 23 (1885)  father Joe Hill
One witness Lilian Hill

12 Aug 1911 marriage Cyril Dalton to
Lilian Hill age 23 (1888) father Joseph Hill
Witnesses Joseph Hill (x) his mark & Lottie Hill