Kilmartin- Derrydonley/ Coolreigh Franfort

[tomahurra]

Seeking information on

Patrick Kilmartin of Derrydonley who died Jan 1859 farmer
Daniel Kilmartin of Coolreagh who died Feb 1872 Shopkeeper
Denis Kilmartin of Coolreigh  who died May 1872 farmer

It is my understanding that Daniel was living with Patrick at the time of Patrick death.

[conahy calling]

On "Griffiths Valuation" there are two Kilmartins included, Daniel and Michael. Townland is given as Derrydolney, Barony Ballyboy, Parish Killoughy.

I cannot find any Kilmartins in Coolreagh (Cloghanhill) in Griffiths Valuation dated 1854 for this area.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

There is a Michael Kilmartin at Derrydolny, Parish Killoughy in the Tithe Applotments dated 1825 (see link following)
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625677/004625677_00336.pdf

[tomahurra]

thank you

[shanreagh]

Any idea how old they were at the time of death?

These are the entries for the whole of Offaly in GV from
http://www.failteromhat.com/
Kilmartin   John   Endrim   Killaghally or Wheery   Offaly
Kilmartin   Keiran   Creggan   Killaghally or Wheery   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Endrim   Killaghally or Wheery   Offaly
Kilmartin   Michael   Dromoyle   Kilcolman   Offaly
Kilmartin   William   Lisheen   Eglish   Offaly
Kilmartin   Daniel   Derrydolney   Killoughy   Offaly
Kilmartin   Michael   Derrydolney   Killoughy   Offaly
Kilmartin   Daniel   Gorteen   Roscrea   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Lismoney   Kinnitty   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Town of Kinnitty,Ballincur   Kinnitty   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Ballincur   Kinnitty   Offaly
Kilmartin   John   Coolnahinch   Gallen   Offaly
Kilmartin   John   Clyduff   Dunkerrin   Offaly
Kilmartin   William   Castle Street,(Townparks)   Barr   Offaly
Kilmartin   Patrick   Ford Kyleboher   Ballyboy   Offaly
Kilmartin   Patrick   Ford (Part of) Main Street   Ballyboy   Offaly
Kilmartin   John   Ballynacarrig   Ballyboy   Offaly
Kilmartin   Edward   Clonmacnoise   Clonmacnoise   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Clonmacnoise   Clonmacnoise   Offaly
Kilmartin   James   Annaghmore and Annaghbeg   Drumcullen   Offaly
Kilmartin   Catherine   Knockbarron   Drumcullen   Offaly
Kilmartin   Michael   Clonmacnoise   Clonmacnoise   Offaly
Kilmartin   John   Creevagh   Clonmacnoise   Offaly
Kilmartin   John   Ballincloghan   Ballyboy   Offaly

You will see a Daniel in Derrydonley. 

Also a Michael.  The descendant of this Michael I think shows up on the 1901/11 census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

Take a look there especially at the older ones - don't ignore the women as some may be unmarried sisters and not widows

Then I searched on this site.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/

You can get all sorts of detail about the holdings......they may lease land in other townlands but not occupy the house and grounds.  By looking across all the entries you can see where they might have lived.
Coolreagh is in Cloghan and is some times called Cloganhill.

When looking at  records for people in Kings I also look in Tipperary records as some people on the borders gravitated to towns in Tipperary to register their especially if these were the towns they went to for market days etc.  So do same searches on GV for Tipperary.  north Riding of Tipperary also included parts near Roscrea near the Kings townlands.

It is a good idea to have a townlands map open when you do these searches.

 
 

[shanreagh]

From FS on Calendar of Irish Wills Patrick was a bachelor at the time of death and his goods GBP1000 were administered by his brother Daniel under Letters of Administration.  I think I would also look at the probate for  a Patrick Kilmartin who died in 1855 as it may have been some relation.
On FS there is a Daniel born 1836 and one born 1821 and both die in 1872. Either one would have been old enough to inherit from a brother in 1859.  Also dying in 1872 is a Dennis - born 1819.

Also on same site several Probates can be searched at your local FHC or the microfiches sent to you for a Denis/Dennis Gilmartin in early 1870s. Gilmartin and Guilmartin seem to be alternate spellings to look for as well.   

If you have access to Ancestry head straight for the Irish Records Extraction Database and do a search there for all these names, inc the alternates. I have found that this database is good for Kings/Offaly records and provides occupations etc and other details.

[tomahurra]

Thank you shanreagh for  the information .The reason for my interest in the is that my Great great grandmother was Margaret Kilmartin and she was married to Timothy Brophy. Denis Kilmartin who died in 1872 named Timothy as his sole executor of his will. I am trying to piece together the connection between Dennis and Margaret. Margaret and Timothy were married in 1848 in Eglish. Unfortunately I dont have any information about Margaret parents.  Any ideas greatly appreciated.

[shanreagh]

Happy to help. Just a couple of queries.

Have you got dates of birth  for Patrick, Daniel or Denis?

And your gt gt grandmother?  Birth and/or death?

Often with big families and Irish naming patterns you get several of the same name that could fit the age group but one might be a son, the other a father and the other a nephew. 
Irish naming patterns can be a good clue to tracking the generations.  Do you know  the names of Margaret's & Timothy's children.  Have you done any Brophy research so do you know what names he had in his family that his children may be named after?

Sons

1st son was named after the father's father

2nd son was named after the mother's father

3rd son was named after the father

4th son was named after the father's eldest brother

5th son was named after the mother's eldest brother

Daughters

1st daughter was named after the mother's mother

2nd daughter was named after the father's mother

3rd daughter was named after the mother

4th daughter was named after the mother's eldest sister

5th daughter was named after the father's eldest sister


From a site that I always put the folk I looking for through. This a church records site developed mainly for Cork, Kerry and Dublin births.  Surprising how many people from all parts of Ireland were married in Dublin.  I found 'By licence of parish priest'  a Denis Ryan and a Mary Kilmartin were married in St Nicolas Church Dublin in 1858.

Both were from Tipp/Offaly - Mary from Eglish
Mary's  parents were Jacob and Mary Kilmartin.

Quite close in time to when Timothy and Margaret got married. 

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f1fddf0094690

here are births to the same couple
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a053660313638
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f44af00335761
With more Kilmartin names as sponsors 


This great site has some Offaly/Tipp names and parishes so have a poke around in here.
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/

I find it useful to set up an excel spreadsheet called some thing like
'Kilamartin/Brophy  mentions' with headings such as 'Name    First name    dates    where    mother    father   Spouse    Died    occupation record type' and put it in year order, eventually,  with all the mentions you find.  When you find name add it and where you got it from so you can find it again. I have just managed to sort out a family who had William, John and Robert in every generation mainly by looking at the wives names but the spreadsheet allowed me to gather all the names together.

Don't take anything off. This is really a sources guide.  In a few years time or even many years time possibly even names that did not look promising may turn out to be yours. 

Happy to help with more details


 

[tomahurra]

many thanks - Have sorted the Brophy side and have tried to piece together the Kilmartin side using the theory of names but with no luck - the only link is that I know that I called after Margaret as I can trace it down the generations - family history is like big puzzle its just a question of getting the correct pieces- the search continues

[shanreagh]

Well you now have a Jacob and Mary as possible contenders for the parents of Margaret to add to the list!