Burial Plot - Hitting a brick wall

[nannyj]

Found his census record in 1911, I think. Was he married to a Mary Ann or Marianne? There's a Mary Ann as his wife of twenty years on the 1911 census and a Marianne jay buried at manor park cemetery 26 August 1915. It says there are three other burials in the grave, but you have to buy credits to view them (a couple of quid). Sad if the children lost both parents in the same year. Youngest would only have been 15.
He moved around a bit. Had children born in shoreditch, east ham and Hoxton.
Address is 1 Florence road, birkbeck road, Barkingside, ilford.

[nannyj]

Death record says registered in billericay?

[stevew101]

Found his census record in 1911, I think. Was he married to a Mary Ann or Marianne? There's a Mary Ann as his wife of twenty years on the 1911 census and a Marianne jay buried at manor park cemetery 26 August 1915. It says there are three other burials in the grave, but you have to buy credits to view them (a couple of quid). Sad if the children lost both parents in the same year. Youngest would only have been 15.
He moved around a bit. Had children born in shoreditch, east ham and Hoxton.
Address is 1 Florence road, birkbeck road, Barkingside, ilford.

Hi Nanny,

Yes, you have the right family.

The details which I have so far are as follows...

Harry John Jay was born at Ipswich in 1866. 
He married Mary Ann Mann in the June qtr of 1892 at Hackney.
Their first child Henry A Jay was born at Hoxton in 1894
Their next child Beatrice Jay at Hoxton in 1895
Their final child Florence Catherine Jay (My grandmother) was born at Manor Park in 1901.

In the 1901 census, they were living at Manor Park.

I hadn't found them in the 1911 census.  It is great to have their address... Has me wondering if it still exists now.

From what my gran told me years ago, they did have quite a sad upbringing.  Harry Jay's father died when he was only 3 years old.  His father was only 29 years old when he died.  Harry was brought up at Ipswich by his mother and stepfather.  He was a bricklayer by trade and moved to the Barkingside area for work. 

Harry died of Rheumatic Fever on the 9th of December 1915.  Mary Ann brought up the children on her own until she remarried to a Henry J Bird (Derby Bird) at Romford in the Sept qtr 1921.

The two girls didn't get on with their stepfather.  Beatrice was forced in to domestic service, and Florence married in order to avoid the same.

I am able to count out the Marianne Jay at Manor Park. 

My mother can recall visiting Mary Ann in the late 1930's/early 1940's.  She was living with her son and his wife in Ilford.  Sadly, she had suffered a stroke and was unable to talk.  I have not managed to find her death record, although I assume it was not long after the visits.

Thanks for all the help so far.

Steve

[nannyj]

Beatrice was already in service in 1911 aged 15.

[nannyj]

1911 census:
Harry John general labourer for a floor layer
Mary Ann was charring
Harry A gardener b.hoxton
Beatrice in service b.shoreditch. (Already in service before Harry died)
Florence Catherine at home b.east ham

1901
Harry John is a bricklayer

1891 boarder in shoreditch. Says he was a cowman. Living at 43 Shepherdess Walk ... Sounds quaint ... Bet shoreditch wasn't quaint then.

[nannyj]

There's a death for Mary Ann bird in ilford march 1951. Birth date is 1873, which is about right. Couldn't find a burial record in ilford though on SEAX.
There's also one for 1942 Essex South Western district, which borders ilford.

[stevew101]

Hi Nanny,

Thank you for managing to fill in some of the gaps for me.

Although Beatrice, had a hard start, she went on to have a very happy life.  She married and settled down in Southend on Sea.  I remember her well when I was young.  She was a lovely lady.

Thank you for the 1891 details.  They do seem to have lived in some very poor areas. 

Again, thank you for the 1911 details.  The family will be very interested in what they were doing.

My mother can't remember visiting Mary Ann after the early 1940's.  She was very ill at the time, and was living with her son.  My mother seems to recall that it was Ilford, although she was very young at time.  I think that if the 1951 death is the one, they would have continued visiting.  I wonder if the 1942 death could be the one, especially if it borders Ilford.  Do you have any more details of it?

Thank you for all your effort helping unravel this.

Steve

[nannyj]

Hi. No sorry ... No more details of the 1942 one. You could pally for the death cert. if you do, go straight to the GRO site, as it's much cheaper (about a tenner). If they can't find the cert, they refund you. I searched around ilford and barking parishes but no burial. Will have a look at woodford later, as that could be Essex South Western.
Yes does seem a sad life. Glad they went on to have happier times. Give me a shout if I can help find anything else :-)

[nannyj]

Pay ... Not pally! Predictive text! :-(