Emily Harriet Norman

[judb]

Hmm  I still think this is a very long shot, however....................

There seems to be some discrepancy with the surname of the man who was married in 1897 in Victoria.  His name is quoted in my index (from Ancestry - not as good as the cds) as Lawson Edwd Loraine so it's not really clear as to which is his surname and which are his forenames.

There are a few references to an Edward Lawson LORAINE (LORAINE being the surname) on Trove which I'll quote in a minute however, the exciting bit is that Edward Lawson LORAINE is on the electoral rolls 1903, 1909 at Bethanga, store keeper, and guess what - another person living in Bethanga, home duties is - Emily Harriet LORAINE. 
1914 there is only Edward listed at Bethanga.

Death
1915 #457
Edwd Lawson LORAINE, 81
Death Place: Bethanga, Victoria
Age:   81
Father's Name:   Loraine Andrew
Mother's name:   Ctina Williamson

Obit gives little more information
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108156236

There is this very peculiar birth on my index - Scotland? Names of parents appear very mixed if this has anything to do with the Emily we are searching for.
Perhaps someone could check on the cds;
Name:   Edwd Lawson Loraine
Father's Name:   Wise Loraine
Mother's name:   Hart Emily
Birth Place:   Scotland, Victoria
Registration Year:   1897
Registration Place:   Victoria
Registration Number:   863

IF the Emily we seek is the mother of this child she would be 48 so unlikely.

Then did she go to NSW and change her surname to LAWSON     

And when did she gain the WISE surname - or was this Emily'S original surname HART??

All very convoluted and I'm still not sure this is on the right track. 

Judith

[sparrett]

Hmm  I still think this is a very long shot, however....................

There seems to be some discrepancy with the surname of the man who was married in 1897 in Victoria.  His name is quoted in my index (from Ancestry - not as good as the cds) as Lawson Edwd Loraine so it's not really clear as to which is his surname and which are his forenames.

There are a few references to an Edward Lawson LORAINE (LORAINE being the surname) on Trove which I'll quote in a minute however, the exciting bit is that Edward Lawson LORAINE is on the electoral rolls 1903, 1909 at Bethanga, store keeper, and guess what - another person living in Bethanga, home duties is - Emily Harriet LORAINE. 
1914 there is only Edward listed at Bethanga.

Death
1915 #457
Edwd Lawson LORAINE, 81
Death Place: Bethanga, Victoria
Age:   81
Father's Name:   Loraine Andrew
Mother's name:   Ctina Williamson

Obit gives little more information
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108156236

There is this very peculiar birth on my index - Scotland? Names of parents appear very mixed if this has anything to do with the Emily we are searching for.
Perhaps someone could check on the cds;
Name:   Edwd Lawson Loraine
Father's Name:   Wise Loraine
Mother's name:   Hart Emily
Birth Place:   Scotland, Victoria
Registration Year:   1897
Registration Place:   Victoria
Registration Number:   863

IF the Emily we seek is the mother of this child she would be 48 so unlikely.

Then did she go to NSW and change her surname to LAWSON     

And when did she gain the WISE surname - or was this Emily'S original surname HART??

All very convoluted and I'm still not sure this is on the right track. 

Judith

I reads this way on my source.

WISE Emily Hart
To  LORAINE Edwd Lawson
Her Birth Place  WOOLWICH
Yr  1897
Reg 863

Sue

[Essie]

Second wife of Edward Lawson LORAINE?  First wife Margaret nee CARR died 1889

The Border Morning Mail and Riverina Times (Albury, NSW : 1903 - 1920) Monday 5 December 1910
The death ocurred at Wodonga. on Saturday of Mrs. Emily Loraine, wife of Mr. H. Loraine, storekeeper of Bethanga. The deceased who was 58 years of age, had a paralytic stroke a short time ago, and the effects proved fataL The funeral, which was conducted by Messrs.Trappold and Lester, took place at Bethanga on Sunday, and was largely attended.

Appears not be Emily Harriet NORMAN as the above Emily was born WOOLWICH.


Essie

[Essie]

Apparently, no LORAINE headstones at Bethanga, but there were two WISE males buried there, namely Stephen WISE (d. 1887 aged 60y) and son Walter.

The wife of Stephen was Harriet nee HAYNES, and one child born 1860 was recorded at Beechworth.
I'm thinking Emily Harriet WISE was possibly their daughter?

Yes, death from the Index
Emily Hart LORAINE aged 58y in 1910
Father named WISE Steph
Mother named Hart Cath UNKNOWN
Reg. Number: 14760

So . . . . must have been the marriage witness in 1871?

Essie

[judb]

Great finds Sue and Essie and these records eliminate Emily LORAIN from the search for Emily NORMAN, although it's just possible that Emily LORAIN may be Emily H WISE (if the surname is WISE!) witness at the marriage of Emily NORMAN's brother in Beechworth.

Judith

[sparrett]

The wife of Stephen was Harriet nee HAYNES, and one child born 1860 was recorded at Beechworth.


And the maiden name of the mother of Emily Harriet NORMAN   (The one we are seeking)
Eliza was HAYNES

So was the Harriet who married Stephen WISE Eliza's sister?

Sue

ADDING In answer to my own question.
It is possible.  Their fathers had the same name.

Harriet's death

WISE Hart
Father Haynes Jno
Mother  Cath HAYNES
Age 67
Death Place Watta
Year 1895
Reg. 7492

Sue

[~MERLIN~]

Stephen WISE bachelor (b. Portsmouth) m. Harriet HAYNES (b. London) 19th April 1847, MALTA.
Groom's parents: Daniel & Mary WISE
Bride's parents: John & Catherine HAYNES

They were back in the UK by 1848 for the birth of their first son & then daughter Emily Harriet WISE b. 1850. They arrived in AUS by 1853 with six more births registered to Stephen WISE & Harriet HAYNES in Victoria.

[jorose]

The Emily Norman who was in Kew/Beechworth/Ballarat asylums can be found in the Beechworth asylum:

http://prov.vic.gov.au/provguide-23
VPRS 7396/P1 - click through to download.
She is in F4 - 1904-1911 casebooks - large file.
Page 147 (on the PDF) / 131 (internal numbering)

She had dementia, and had previously been resident at the South Yarra Home for Women.
She was admitted to Kew in June 19 1905, admitted by "Police", no known relatives.  Transferred to Beechworth April 19, 1906.  Transferred to Ballarat 28 November 1906.  (There are also medical notes)

South Yarra Home is described on Trove as a "home for fallen women".

Similarly Eliza can be found in VPRS 7446 P1 (Alphabetical Lists of Patients in Asylums), under the Beechworth list.  This has much less detail but it does mention her husband - Wm Norman, bill poster + bellman, residing at Beechworth.

[sparrett]

Similarly Eliza can be found in VPRS 7446 P1 (Alphabetical Lists of Patients in Asylums), under the Beechworth list.  This has much less detail but it does mention her husband - Wm Norman, bill poster + bellman, residing at Beechworth.

For general interest-

http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php


BELLMAN Employed as a watchman or town crier or who worked for the post office and collected letters for the mail coach by walking the streets and ringing a bell.

BILL POSTER or BILLBOARDER Put up notices, signs and advertisements.

Sue